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Crocodile 12:29 < fluffypony> and that will make attacks infeasible, plus there will be a paper on it and everything 12:29 < fluffypony> a purple paper 12:29 * ryan-c slow claps 12:31 -!- jlrubin_ [~jlrubin@biohazard-cafe.mit.edu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:32 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@c-98-207-208-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:32 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:33 -!- hearn_ [~mike@84-75-197-78.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:35 -!- hearn [~mike@84-75-197-78.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:37 < gmaxwell> ryan-c: why? sounds like a perfect fit for that system. Pretextual key security for a pretextual consensus system, produced by a pretextual non-profit funded by pretextual "donations", and issuing pretextual computational credits. 12:37 < ryan-c> gmaxwell: Lulz. How have you been, btw? Haven't seen you on IRC in a while. 12:39 < amiller> phantomcircuit, no never witnessed anyone mining like that, i think mining pool watchers would notice and in any case it would have to affect the noticeably affect the stale block rate for a while before it would work, so i think we'd notice 12:39 < fluffypony> he's not on IRC right now, you're speaking to an AI running on the Ethereum blockchain 12:39 < amiller> lmatteis, hasn't been accepted anywhere yet, we put the paper on preprint server immediately after submitting it to a conference 12:39 < fluffypony> every sentence costs 0.0001 ETH 12:40 < lmatteis> amiller: is it hard to find venues where to submit these kind of things? 12:40 -!- hearn_ [~mike@84-75-197-78.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:41 -!- bbh41 [~star@104.156.228.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42 -!- hearn 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12:46 < lmatteis> also from the biblio you can figure out who's the author 12:46 < amiller> anyway, a similar insight was made by aviv zohar (ghost and bitcoin red balloons) http://arxiv.org/abs/1507.06183 they also used a much better/thorough method and found even better strategies 12:46 -!- King_Rex [~King_Rex@203.sub-70-193-64.myvzw.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:47 < amiller> the composition of better-than-selfish-mining with eclipse attacks is new and unique to our paper though 12:55 -!- King_Rex [~King_Rex@203.sub-70-193-64.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 -!- hearn [~mike@84-75-197-78.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@c-98-207-208-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:18 -!- prodatalab__ [~prodatala@nj-71-0-106-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:18 -!- prodatalab_ [~prodatala@nj-71-0-106-66.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection 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