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01:43 < gmaxwell> http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/prisco20150826
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04:57 < fluffypony> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/27/dwave_whether_or_not_its_quantum_its_faster/
04:57 < fluffypony> .title
04:57 < yoleaux> D-Wave: 'Whether or not it's quantum, it's faster' • The Register
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05:13 < bsm117532> If you can map your problem onto theirs...
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10:38 < maaku> rusty: your suggestion to disable locktime if nSequence != 0xffffffff
10:38 < maaku> locktime is only enabled iff there exists at least one nSequence != 0xffffffff
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14:03 < chris13243> does anyone want to help me write a bitcoin whitepaper? im currently writing one and would like people to help come up with stuff to put in it/edit it/etc: https://github.com/priestc/moneywagon/blob/master/whitepaper.md
14:04 < Adlai> chris13243: "Satoshi style SPV essentially works by having the wallet only download block headers" not quite
14:04 < Adlai> since he never implemented SPV mode, we can't quite know what "Satoshi style SPV" really means
14:05 < Adlai> but my guess is still intended you to download every block (past the point where you begin transacting) in full, but only retain the relevant parts
14:06 < Adlai> so you're headers-only until you start publishing addresses, and then you download full blocks to scan for payments
14:06 < Adlai> also, #bitcoin-dev
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14:09 < chris13243> adam3us, ok, true, but still, my method has you not downloading anything header related and you don't have to keep anything around not even block headers. This makes building wallets much easier.
14:09 < andytoshi> chris13243: you should read http://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf for a correct description of SPV; then https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf which describes the "DMMS" abstraction more and talks about trust models
14:10 < andytoshi> chris13243: what you've written is so oversimplified that it sounds deliberately misleading
14:10 < chris13243> I wrote it so that soeone who is not a bitcoin expert can follow
14:10 < Adlai> "Dear Diary, today I got mistaken for the inventor of hashcash"
14:11 < andytoshi> chris13243: somebody who isn't an expert will conclude falsehoods from what you've written
14:11 < chris13243> what is false
14:11 < andytoshi> read the papers that i linked. i spent a lot of time writing them.
14:13 < chris13243> are you saying moneywagon style SPV is not possible? or that the can be hacked easier?
14:13 < chris13243> just because something is simplified and not 100% detail perfect doesn't make it false.
14:13 < andytoshi> no, i'm saying that your "bitcoin is broken because it does not use trusted parties, use trusted parties instead" rhetoric has been beaten to death
14:14 < Adlai> how about "moneywagon 'SPV' is a sufficient departure from bitcoin's trust-minimization that it should be given a different name"
14:14 < fluffypony> money-lossen
14:15 < andytoshi> how about "if you want trusted parties you have literally every other payment system in history available to you"
14:15  * Adlai offers TMPV - trust-maximized yadayada
14:15 < fluffypony> APM - Adlai Payment System
14:15 < chris13243> you have a choice who you trust
14:15 < chris13243> you are not forced to trust one person
14:16 < andytoshi> this is a research channel and this has been discussed ad nauseum, please no more of this
14:16 < fluffypony> chris13243: I run blockr.io's full node
14:16 < chris13243> andyou can easiely cross check with another trusted source
14:16 < fluffypony> promise
14:16 < fluffypony> I'll even give you the IP
14:16 < fluffypony> just connect to it
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14:17 < chris13243> fluffypony, https://github.com/priestc/moneywagon/blob/master/moneywagon/services.py#L121
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14:17  * fluffypony chuckles
14:18 < Adlai> chris13243: serious question: why aren't you taking this discussion to #bitcoin ?
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15:47 < warren> amiller: ping
15:47 < amiller> hi warren
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16:14 < maaku> anyone have numbers on average / median utxo bloat per block byte?
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16:17 < btcdrak> I've been thinking about sipa's versionbits proposal and it occurred to me we could free up all the bits in nVersion for use because the previous softforks have already reached enforcement. We could alter the code to enforce on whatever fixed blocknumber/hash enforcement occurred on. We're left with a clean slate in theory where we can use the entire
16:17 < btcdrak> nVersion field... unless I'm missing something obvious.
16:17 < gwillen> btcdrak: you have the same switchover problem that the forks had in the first place -- as long as there are still non-upgraded clients not using the new code, you can't safely emit things that reuse those bits for other stuff
16:19 < gmaxwell> btcdrak: prior soft-forks require the version to be greater than X. (1,2 eg.)
16:19 < gmaxwell> and half the space was killed by the first >0 requirement (because its signed)
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16:35 < Adlai> it's not like we've reached version bit postscarcity
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17:26 < gmaxwell> In any case, my view after numerious hard to correct mistakes in bitcoin is that its unreasonable to get designs for new stuff right in a vacuum.
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17:27 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i think it would be hugely amusing to build a sidechain that strongly supports fraud proofs and call it fraudcoin
17:27 < Adlai> so apparently my reading of section 8 is not what the author intended... but it still seems a valid approach
17:27 < petertodd> phantomcircuit: +1
17:27 < Adlai> this being, "headers-first until wallet creation, merkle-pruned henceforth"
17:28 < petertodd> Adlai: what's missing, is proving fraud :)
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17:28 < phantomcircuit> Adlai, the white paper actually suggests the entire block as a fraud proof
17:28 < phantomcircuit> which technically we can implement today
17:28 < gmaxwell> but unfortunately you need more than the block for many kinds of misbehavior.
17:28 < petertodd> Adlai: for instance, how do you compactly prove that a transaction output *doesn't* exist, which made a transaction invalid because it spent money that didn't exist?
17:28 < Adlai> fraudcoin++, but yes, this is exactly what i mean... you download entire blocks, wait for confirmations, keep around a bunch for reorgs, etc
17:28 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, you just need that block and all the blocks before it
17:28 < gmaxwell> e.g. excess subsidy needs the whole block and every full transaction being spent.
17:28 < phantomcircuit> wait a second...
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17:29  * Adlai is imagining a trust-minimized client for a three-digit-gigabyte-memory smartphone
17:29 < gmaxwell> we know how to fix this, for years now, but it's tricky.
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17:29 < Adlai> which to the rest of the network would look like a node that can't relay old blocks
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17:29 < petertodd> gmaxwell: excess subsidy is hard because fees require full transactions for all inputs; the whole block and every transaction associated with every full transaction
17:30 < gmaxwell> In particular, making it safe probably requires restructuring validation so that _all_ validation works by fraud proof. (and sending whole blocks instead of proofs of non-fraud is just a compression method)
17:30 < phantomcircuit> petertodd, well you make the transaction prove that it's inputs are spending outputs that do exist
17:30 < gmaxwell> petertodd: in EA the whole block is sufficient.
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17:30 < gmaxwell> (because fees are an explicit field in the transactions in it)
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17:30 < petertodd> gmaxwell: oh, sure, I mean with stock bitcoin
17:30 < gmaxwell> yea yea.
17:30 < phantomcircuit> petertodd, but now how do you prove that those weren't already spent? (it's easy to prove that there is a double spend, but not that there isn't a double spend)
17:31 < petertodd> phantomcircuit: well, remember our(?) discussion about how the additional indexes needed aren't actually all that bad?
17:31  * Adlai forgot that bitcoin inputs are pointers, not data >_<
17:31 < phantomcircuit> petertodd, no
17:31 < phantomcircuit> heh
17:31 < petertodd> phantomcircuit: make every block contain an index of evrey txin prevout, saying what block each prevout 's transaction was in
17:32 < phantomcircuit> yeah that's what i was saying
17:32 < petertodd> phantomcircuit: then you've constrained where the prevouts came from, which means a per-block sorted tx hash tree is sufficient
17:32 < phantomcircuit> hmm
17:32 < petertodd> phantomcircuit: easy to implement with TXO commitments, even the version where you don't modify the TXO values when they're spent
17:33 < phantomcircuit> yeah i see what you're saying
17:33 < petertodd> phantomcircuit: which I guess we should call "TXO-spentness commitments"
17:33 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] you could also maintain consensus trees of both TXO and UTXO, and test inclusion in one or the other i guess
17:34 < petertodd> tacotime: I think UTXO anything needs to die in a fire; unbounded UTXO sets are horrid
17:35 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] yeah, i was gonna say, if you wanted to spend the rest of your life debugging reorganizations and trying to figure out how to optimize it so it actually works with some degree of efficiency
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17:35 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] in a magical land where you could easily maintain an ordered TXO and UTXO set and commit to them in the header, it'd work
17:36 < petertodd> tacotime: no, my view is that the UTXO set needs to be fixed-size, with old entries thrown out, and a "backup" method supported via TXO proofs to spend old UTXOs
17:36 < Adlai> what of the magical land where these commitments are optional?
17:36 < petertodd> tactotime: hard part is that the overhead of that is high... good O() scaling, but high k constant factor :(
17:37 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] ah
17:38 < Adlai> even if a tiny fraction of altruistic hashpower consistently puts a commitment, say on a monthly basis. recreating the sets from the last commitment is easier than from genesis?
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17:38 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] Adlai: then you're back to standard Bitcoin i'd think. full nodes are verifying the headers and whether or not the set is valid.
17:39 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] Adlai: well, then you're trusting the subset of participants
17:39 < CodeShark> I still think that the extra validation overhead for txout commitment schemes would be worth it. A commitment structure that is optimized for these operations would probably be even less validation overhead than what we have now but would probably require a hard fork and painful app migrations
17:39 < CodeShark> The blockchain structure should really be designed to make it possible to construct short proofs of all the main queries of interest
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17:39 < Adlai> tacotime: softfork incorrect commitments as invalid, so miners can confirm the commitment without having to generate it themselves?
17:39  * Adlai needs to better understand the mechanics of such commitments
17:40 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] it'd more the nightmare of jamming everything utxo into a merkelized b+tree and having it work quickly, and also being able to validate non-mainchain blocks easily
17:41 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] i think that weird cryptonite blockchain (from bitfreak) did it
17:41 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] but the code for that fork is particularly scary
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17:43 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] keep in mind for evaluating non-mainchain blocks with such a merkelized utxo set, you need to alter a whole tree of hashes for every insertion/deletion
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17:44 < rusty> Is there an agreed term for a chunk of 2016 blocks?  Block-fortnight?  Difficulty group?
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17:44 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] two weeks(tm), the bitcoin measurement of delivery quality
17:45 < Adlai> retarget period
17:46 < rusty> Adlai: thanks.
17:46 < Adlai> (unless you mean any arbitrary set)
17:46 < Adlai> s/arbitrary/continuous/
17:46 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] Adlai: that was stuff i was working on in 2013, but the complexity is generally bad and implementation difficulty. though i mean, the theory is nice.
17:48  * Adlai is still pondering the security of "Adlai-style SPV"... so you wait a few (dozen? dozendozen?) more confirmations, since you can't validate very-old transactions... it's still much more private than the existing "SPV" modes
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17:58 < dcousens> Adlai: you were saying? :P
17:59 < phantomcircuit> lol there's someone mining nVersion=2 blocks on testnet
17:59 < Adlai> dcousens: there have been proposals to commit to the UTXO set in block headers, or something along those lines, so that nodes that don't have old blocks (or even any!) can still validate incoming transactions
18:00  * Adlai also points to the channel logs, in the topic; this was just being discussed a few minutes ago
18:00 < dcousens> Adlai: channel logs?
18:01 < Adlai> dcousens: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2015-08-28/?msg=48317637&page=1
18:01 < dcousens> cheers
18:01 < dcousens> Thanks for the explanation too :)
18:02 < Adlai> you're welcome
18:02 < dcousens> "[tacotime] two weeks(tm), the bitcoin measurement of delivery quality" - ha
18:03 < Adlai> mining profitability will increase in Two Weeks, satoshi said so himself!
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18:32 < rusty> OK, I took another swing at the versionbits bip.  https://gist.github.com/rustyrussell/47eb08093373f71f87de
18:32 < jgarzik> +1
18:33 < jgarzik> rusty, IMO #bitcoin-dev material as well
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19:12 < fkhan> is there a specific line of research that covers cryptographic fraud proofs (even ones that specifically cover bitcoin)? i'm seeking related reading materials
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19:20 < CodeShark> Just as a general principle, it seems if we're looking for scalability it's better to focus on how we handle the invalid cases, using economic incentives to dissuade people from attempting to send invalid stuff...and having a mechanism to invalidate stuff after-the-fact. Problem is how to handle dependencies
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19:24 < psztorc> Our principle should be that "scalability research" should focus on "invalid messages"?
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19:25 < CodeShark> Perhaps we can sacrifice a little bit of the hardness of settlement outcomes...but with quantified risks and mechanisms for spreading/delegating risk
19:27 < CodeShark> It's not really so much about invalid messages as it is about only requiring global consensus to settle disputes
19:27 < psztorc> I'm just trying to understand the principle.
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19:28 < psztorc> Clearly a higher [valid messages]/[blockchain kB] is good, everyone would agree with that.
19:29 < CodeShark> the principle is the same reason you don't need to go to court to record everytime someone honors a contract
19:29 < CodeShark> It's only when there's a breach that courts come in
19:30 < psztorc> Yes that is part of why I find Ethereum to be so ridiculous.
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19:30 < psztorc> Ok, but what you said would seem to say that: people who are focused on scalability should not try to figure out "the right blocksize"?
19:31 < CodeShark> I don't think block size is about scalability - it's about economics
19:31 < CodeShark> Resource supply and demand
19:31 < CodeShark> And ensuring proper incentives for validation to occur
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19:32 < CodeShark> Block space is inherently scarce...it cannot accomodate every time someone buys a soda at a vending machine
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19:32 < psztorc> Ok, just to be clear about "blocksize is not about scalability". Are you saying "we do not need to increase the blocksize to scale Bitcoin" or "the blocksize isn't even related to scalability"?
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19:34 < CodeShark> More the former...but the latter as well with misplaced incentives
19:35 < CodeShark> If validation incentives were properly aligned, we could consider bigger blocks to be related to scalability
19:35 < psztorc> Aren't you saying the reverse?
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19:36 < psztorc> That until they are aligned, validation will be a problem (and so will bigger blocks)?
19:36 < CodeShark> yes, that's what I mean
19:37 < CodeShark> Bigger blocks provide greater throughput...but only by a relatively small factor before the externalized costs and risks are unbearable
19:37 < psztorc> Wouldn't your principle really be "if we're looking for scalability we should focus on making validation cheap"?
19:38 < psztorc> I would happen to agree completely with that principle.
19:38 < CodeShark> yes, indeed
19:39 < psztorc> Yes, my view is that if we had superfast TOR we could then safely increase blocksizes. If TOR became slower we would have to decrease blocksizes.
19:39 < CodeShark> And the place where there seems to be the most promise of optimization is in not requiring everyone to validate everything :)
19:39 < psztorc> Yes, the lightning network.
19:40 < CodeShark> all such schemes require the ability to invalidate after-the-fact
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19:42 < CodeShark> in the lightning network, invalidation is done by giving the claimant the ability to "steal" transactions on the blockchain within a certain time period
19:42 < psztorc> LN really can't steal funds
19:43 < CodeShark> by "steal" I mean punishing people who publish revoked transactions
19:45 < psztorc> I'm not following you
19:45 < psztorc> "steal" usually means "take what you do not own"
19:45 < CodeShark> bitcoin has no built-in retroactive invalidation mechanism besides regular reorgs
19:45 < psztorc> Ok
19:47 < CodeShark> In a bidirectional payment channel, you revoke previous commitments by sharing a secret with the counterparty that would allow them to steal the funds if we try to publish a revoked commitment
19:47 < CodeShark> So it requires vigilance and action within a deadlne
19:48 < CodeShark> But in principle it leads to cooperation as the equilibrium strategy
19:48 < psztorc> It does, but there's a cool trick where, even if you aren't around to broadcast, you can pre-broadcast something else that gives you YourMoney-epsilon, with epslion going to anyone else
19:48 < psztorc> and those people can broadcast if you fail to do so.
19:49 < CodeShark> Right - vigilance might be outsourceable
19:49 < psztorc> Yes yes
19:49 < psztorc> and if the outsourcing is really really cheap, attackers would expect to fail and not even bother trying
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19:50 < psztorc> But to summarize: scalability is related to the cost of validation.
19:52 < CodeShark> yes
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19:54 < CodeShark> similar idea involved in bidirectional payment channels could be applied to blockchain validation itself, perhaps...via fraud proofs
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19:55 < gmaxwell> duplex payment channels work because the threat of the blockchain, you need a recourse.
19:55 < gmaxwell> though there are other optimization scheme possible.
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19:58 < CodeShark> point is you could have a blockchain system where people only need to validate transactions that interest them and challenge outcomes they don't like within a window of time
19:59 < CodeShark> But it comes at the cost of money time value
19:59 < gmaxwell> though there are other optimization scheme possible. e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281848.0  (look at all those responses from people who care so much about scalablity!)
20:00 < psztorc> Also that is kind of the Treechains idea
20:00 < psztorc> And hypocrisy re: scalability caring is the worst
20:01 < psztorc> Which is why I responded to your thing at all, because you used the word "principle".
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20:01 < psztorc> A concept currently absent from just about all current Bitcoin discourse.
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20:03 < CodeShark> I like that atomic tx mutation idea, gmaxwell
20:04 < gmaxwell> Yea, its tricky to implement, just from a software engineering perspective, but it's a true scalablity improvement.
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20:06 < psztorc> yes, well explained "I permit you to conflict this transaction with one that pays its children, if you can figure out how"
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20:08 < gmaxwell> and no one gave a shit; ::shrugs::  it's the same general story. The people who care about scalablity are working on it; while people who don't throw rocks in the name of scalablity... probably the same story for any major work in human history. :)
20:09 < CodeShark> the trick is making sure you get the last laugh ;)
20:11 < psztorc> I have all kinds of theories about that...like that some people are more "guillible", and information diffuses faster through them than through the "critical" people. So all low-quality signals will always diffuse faster.
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20:13 < CodeShark> it also takes a far deeper level of understanding to see the benefits of these ideas than to buy the faux explanations
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20:14 < CodeShark> Issues that appear superficially simple but have subtle depth are probably the most dangerous for mob mentality
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20:15 < Adlai> "If you believe gullibility can be cured by a neuroscientist, you should have that operation performed"
20:15 < Adlai> (hofstadter)
20:18 < psztorc> Don't you mean neurosurgeon? A Scientist probably would eventually be able to cure it.
20:19 < Adlai> context: hofstadter is talking about high level features associated with "the mind" as emergent phenomena of lower levels
20:20  * Adlai doesn't have the text handy, might have misquotes
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20:23 < CodeShark> gullibility can sometimes be treated, if not cured, as long as all parties have sufficient humility and desire understanding. Gullibility combined with sanctimony is not even treatable, though
20:23 < CodeShark> Add arguments by authority and you've got the beginnings of a cult
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20:24 < rusty> gmaxwell: I like it.... "Replace by congruency"?
20:24 < Adlai> the owner of the GEB copy i just finished said she didn't like it because it's a cult book :(
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20:24 < CodeShark> Hah
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20:25 < Adlai> which is a little like hating avatar, but only because it broke titanic's record
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20:25 < CodeShark> My favorite hofstaedter book is an old printing I have of Metamagical Themas
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20:26 < Adlai> ah, that was my introduction to lisp :)
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21:57 < gmaxwell> rusty: nice name for it.
21:59 < gmaxwell> GEB? http://people.xiph.org/~greg/bg4.jpg
21:59 < gmaxwell> (thats a uh.. 12 year old picture of my partner with one of our copies of GEB; nnoooo chance that its a cult book)
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22:01 < gmaxwell> (the context for the book is that a shared like of hofstaedter's work was why my script-to-add-to-my-aim-client-people-who-shared-interests-with-me-on-livejournal introduced her to me)
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22:11 < moa> "So all low-quality signals will always diffuse faster." Mark Twain
22:13 < amiller> i dont know why we are posting these pics but http://i.imgur.com/0S3bC99.jpgkjo/[/
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22:47 < gmaxwell> hahaha
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22:58 < phantomcircuit> amiller, lol
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