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Anywhere.] 09:27 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:29 -!- catlasshrugged [~catlasshr@ec2-54-149-141-214.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30 -!- catlasshrugged [~catlasshr@ec2-54-149-141-214.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:30 < jgarzik> What is the popular term for on-top-of-main-chain protocols like counterparty and mastercoin? 09:30 < jgarzik> sub-coin? 09:33 < bsm1175321> I'm not aware of any common term. You should invent one. ;-) 09:33 -!- c-cex-yuriy [uid76808@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qidwbpeyzioapcys] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:34 -!- jgarzik [~jgarzik@unaffiliated/jgarzik] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:35 < maaku> jgarzik: there's a not-nice but accurate 'parasictic consensus' 09:37 < bsm1175321> maaku: such systems generally lack any form of consensus. Each counterparty/mastercoin/colored coin could be interpreting the OP_RETURN data differently, and no one would know. 09:37 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:37 < maaku> bsm1175321: the same is true of bitcoin 09:38 < maaku> you could change the consensus rules of your own node and no one would know 09:38 < maaku> (except you when you are eventually forked off) 09:38 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:40 < gmaxwell> jgarzik: petertodd calls them embedded consensus systems. 09:45 < bsm1175321> maaku: The difference is that invalid counterparty/coloredcoin/mastercoin transactions DO get propagated, while with bitcoin they never get mined into blocks in the first place. 09:46 < bsm1175321> "overlay protocols" 09:51 < maaku> bsm1175321: in principle it's the same though, and trivially fixable. just have the parasitic consensus transactions commit to a prior ledger state from the view of your node 09:52 < maaku> then it would be exactly the same 09:52 -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:53 -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:04 -!- ishahnaz [~null@unaffiliated/ishahnaz] has quit [] 10:11 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@50-202-37-133-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:13 -!- nullbyte [~NSA@198.203.28.43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:29 < bsm1175321> maaku: Indeed you're right. 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