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Nodes in the overlay network can be thought of as being connected by virtual or logical links, each of which corresponds to a path, perhaps through many physical links, in the underlying network." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlay_network 00:37 < nsh> seems apropos nanotube 00:39 -!- dgenr8 [~dgenr8@unaffiliated/dgenr8] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:46 -!- dgenr8 [~dgenr8@unaffiliated/dgenr8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:56 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 00:58 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:58 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@108.19.186.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:59 -!- ttttemp [~ttttemp@pc-5305.ethz.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:03 -!- AnoAnon [~AnoAnon@197.39.208.29] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:03 -!- AnoAnon [~AnoAnon@197.39.208.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 01:04 -!- JayDugger [~jwdugger@108.19.186.58] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:05 -!- rubensayshi 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this thing suggests "pow-backed identities" by having miners publish commitments (or other data?) about a private chain in their coinbase transactions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eRTAe3szuIoZEloHvRMtZlrU7t2un4UVQ8LarpU3LNk/edit 05:45 < kanzure> where "private chain" is defined as near-blocks i guess. 05:47 -!- c0rw1n_ [~c0rw1n@91.176.79.56] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:48 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.176.79.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:48 < kanzure> ( was from http://dfinity.io/about.html ) 05:49 -!- jtimon [~quassel@mf15636d0.tmodns.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:50 -!- darshini [~darshini@c-71-233-244-149.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:55 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-103-124-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:56 -!- Alanius [~alanius@ssh2.ulyssis.student.kuleuven.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:01 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@2a02:8108:73f:f6e4:e23f:49ff:fe47:9364] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:03 -!- Quanttek 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And peer review too. There's an awful lot of bullshit whitepapers out there. 14:58 < belcher> is there any place where people post their projects? i only found out about augur the other day 14:59 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@206.110.20.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:05 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@104-6-36-162.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:09 < zooko> belcher: that would be nice, if there were a catalog of known projects and links to them. 15:09 < MRL-Relay> [othe] For Augur i lost interest after they decided to use Ethereum tbh 15:09 < zooko> belcher: I'm not aware of one. 15:09 < zooko> belcher: sounds like the sort of thing that a newspaper like, uh, coindesk, might want to curate. 15:09 < MRL-Relay> [othe] i guess the best you can do is putting coindesk and co in an rss reader 15:10 < belcher> there is this sticky on /r/bitcoin which has a section Bitcoin Projects https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3igq2a/rbitcoin_faq_newcomers_please_read/ 15:10 < zooko> belcher: cool, thanks. 15:10 < belcher> i suppose the crowd could do it by posting "what exciting projects about bitcoin have you come across" threads 15:13 -!- shea256 [~shea256@65.209.72.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13 < kang_> kanzure: I am on it. Would take me around 2-3 weeks 15:13 -!- neha [~textual@c-73-17-151-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ...sleep] 15:14 -!- Yoghur114 [~jorn@g227014.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14 < belcher> zooko another way is a wiki page that anyone could edit 15:15 -!- shea256 [~shea256@65.209.72.194] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:15 < kang_> or simply a gist/blogpost with pulls/comments 15:17 -!- cholbrow [~audioishi@blackmain.media.mit.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:20 -!- akkked [~RH311ish@65.78.54.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:21 -!- akkked [~RH311ish@65.78.54.2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:22 < kanzure> belcher: signal/noise is often difficult to maintain there because you have to make weird decisions about inclusion 15:22 < kanzure> inclusion/exclusion 15:25 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@static-64-223-246-218.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 15:29 < amiller> belcher, probably Ledger journal wont be a centralized place to keep up with bitcoin projects 15:30 -!- PlasmaShadow [~VolIsBad@c-71-232-61-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:30 < amiller> its characteristic feature as an academic journal is a rigorous review process, so it's a little bit slow, and mostly geared towards research (lots of projects are good and worthwhile but not research and not handled by the journal) 15:33 -!- PlasmaShadow [~VolIsBad@vpn-18-101-16-115.mit.edu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:33 < amiller> so, not a substitute for a wiki, or even for other forms of signal/noise filtering 15:36 -!- maraoz [~maraoz@2601:647:4b02:94f1:19ce:2a10:4552:2825] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:39 -!- neha [~textual@c-73-17-151-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:39 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49 < tromp__> amiller, would a Cuckoo Cycle paper make sense as Ledger submission? or do they want original work (not published in conference) 15:52 < amiller> tromp_, needs to be original work, but actually bitcoin workshop might not count so it might be OK, i'd need to double check 15:53 < tromp__> yes, workshop review was not that rigorous 15:54 -!- bramc [~bram@38.99.42.130] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:54 < bramc> Hey everybody 15:54 < tromp__> hi Bram 15:54 < tromp__> gotta run to programming competition... afk 15:56 < bramc> What's the best way to reach rusty? 15:56 < bramc> I want to follow up with him on my ideas on a stupid-in-a-good-way format for utxo commitments 15:57 -!- PlasmaShadow [~VolIsBad@vpn-18-101-16-115.mit.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:58 -!- PlasmaShadow [~VolIsBad@c-71-232-61-117.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:58 -!- neha [~textual@c-73-17-151-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ...sleep] 16:00 < kanzure> bramc: he seems fairly responsive by email rusty@rustcorp.com.au 16:00 -!- neha [~textual@c-73-17-151-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:00 < bramc> Thanks kanzure 16:00 -!- bsm1175321 [~bsm117532@38.121.165.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:00 -!- shea256 [~shea256@65.209.72.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03 -!- ratbanebo [~ratbanebo@2a02:1812:1515:2400:39f7:3a5:bed0:ae5c] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04 -!- ratbanebo [~ratbanebo@2a02:1812:1515:2400:39f7:3a5:bed0:ae5c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:06 -!- shea256 [~shea256@65.209.72.194] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:09 -!- neha [~textual@c-73-17-151-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ...sleep] 16:10 -!- gmaxwell [greg@mf4-xiph.osuosl.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:11 -!- gmaxwell is now known as Guest51767 16:15 -!- neha [~textual@c-73-17-151-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:15 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@2a02:8108:73f:f6e4:e23f:49ff:fe47:9364] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:15 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@c-98-207-208-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:21 -!- neha [~textual@c-73-17-151-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ...sleep] 16:23 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:27 < bramc> And of course now his email address has been logged to the web, hyperlinked and everything. Sorry rusty. 16:28 -!- zooko [~user@c-73-202-109-21.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 < bramc> Does anybody have an opinion about the advantages/disadvantages of making work difficulty be based on a rolling average with linear falloff? I just realized the other day that linear falloff updates can be implemented very efficiently, which is a neat little trick 16:31 < kang_> Since this conference was for requirements gathering, (and there were many!) is there a document listing all the collected requirements? Is something in works? 16:32 < Taek> bramc: are you talking about the difficulty adjustment algorithm? Hard to analyze without an explicit example 16:32 < bramc> The advantage of linear falloff is that it minimizes the amount of noise in the estimate, because any outlier is factored out at the same rate as everything else 16:33 < bramc> Taek, Specific algorithm is for position N using the last K, weight position N-K with weight 1/K, weight position N-K+1 with weight 2/K, position N-K+2 with 3/K, etc. 16:34 -!- neha [~textual@c-73-17-151-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:35 < bramc> Bitcoin proper has problems with some time intervals being negative. Let's assume that times are adjusted to be either their stated time or the largest previously given timestamp, whichever is larger. 16:36 < kanzure> kang_: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/ 16:36 < kang_> kanzure :) 16:37 < bramc> kang_, Nothing formal and authoritatize. The roundgroup roundups kanzure just linked to are mostly reasonable summaries of group discussions 16:38 < kang_> kanzure: It'd take me around 15-20 days to summarize those logs, given my spare-time, is that ok? 16:38 < kanzure> kang_: summaries of important/high-signal stuff for each log-day would be super interesting 16:38 < bramc> As a result of the spv discussion I came up with some ideas of how to handle utxo commitments which are sufficiently braindead to not be scary from an interoperability standpoint while still being efficient. Other people liked them in hallway conversations so I'm continuing work. 16:39 < kanzure> spv commitment summary stuff http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/future-of-spv-tech/ 16:39 < kanzure> well, not summary 16:40 < bramc> Summary of that one is 'we need utxo commitments. Also need to dump bloom filters and do some real PIR' 16:40 < bramc> My utxo commitment idea helps a lot with PIR as well, come to think of it. 16:40 < kanzure> bramc, somewhat unrelated question, but do you have good review references for multi-party computation things? 16:41 < kang_> The prime cause of SPV is mining variance don't you think? If so, shouldn't we attack the root cause? 16:41 < kanzure> kang_: some devices are incapable of large-scale bitcoin transaction verification, regardless of mining variance 16:41 < kanzure> and regardless of mining/nonmining activity 16:42 -!- shea256 [~shea256@65.209.72.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 < bramc> kanzure, Uh... I only know the super-simple hacker-implementable stuff. Riposte is at http://www.henrycg.com/pubs/oakland15riposte/ 16:43 < kanzure> oh it's on bitbucket https://bitbucket.org/henrycg/riposte 16:43 < kang_> ah, that's a different problem, subset of the decentralization requirement 16:43 < bramc> Riposte should be the basis for anonymous receiving and posting of transactions (the posting part is a lot harder) 16:44 -!- shea256 [~shea256@65.209.72.194] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:45 -!- dEBRUYNE_ [~dEBRUYNE@56-197-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:45 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|zZz 16:47 < bramc> Oh, also SPV nodes should talk to two orders of magnitude more servers than they do, and we don't really know how SPV should interact with lightning network yet. 16:47 -!- akkked [~RH311ish@65.78.54.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47 < bramc> And there should be an SPV implementation in core. Not having a decent reference is a real problem. 16:49 -!- shea256 [~shea256@65.209.72.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:49 < kanzure> bramc: https://github.com/opentimestamps/opentimestamps-server/blob/master/doc/merkle-mountain-range.md 16:50 < kanzure> context, some utxo commitment proposals use this data structure 16:50 < kanzure> ("MMR TXO" is the search term on that) 16:51 < bramc> kanzure, That's similar to but not exactly the same as what I have in mind 16:51 < bramc> 'similar to' might be a bit of a stretch actually, more like 'conceptually related' 16:53 -!- bramc [~bram@38.99.42.130] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:54 -!- neha [~textual@c-73-17-151-171.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ...sleep] 16:54 -!- heath [~heath@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:02 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:03 -!- nwilcox [~nwilcox@c-73-202-109-21.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 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