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08:49 < prosodyC> (<3) )
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09:38 < nsh> A framework for creating zero-knowledge mobile & desktop applications
09:38 < nsh> https://crypton.io/ -- https://github.com/SpiderOak/crypton
09:39 < nsh> 'Crypton is a framework for creating zero-knowledge applications with JavaScript.'
09:39 < nsh> 'Zero knowledge without knowing cryptography' -- https://crypton.io/
09:39  * nsh frowns
09:39 < nsh> i don't see this ending well
09:41 < nsh> reasonable caveats given hear though: https://crypton.io/docs/
09:42 < nsh> 'Crypton  is  a  unique  way  to  build  applications,  primarily because  it  makes  it  simple  for  developers  to  store  data  with a  server  in  such  a  way  that  the  server  doesn’t  know  what that  data  is.  Additionally,  all  Crypton-based  applications  are built solely on the client, and the server acts only as a smart pipe to the database to store and retrieve data for authenticated users. A side effect of this architecture is that w
09:42 < nsh> orking with the framework is not dissimilar to using a ”backend as a service”'
09:42 < gmaxwell> nsh: I believe this is 0bin with a lot of jargon. :P
09:42 < nsh> aye :)
09:43 < jcorgan> that running cryptographic and/or money-related code in javascript or in a browser is a terrible idea has been known for a long time; at a certain point sympathy for the inevitable failures gets hard to muster.
09:43 < nsh> still, if it can be proven to work, it is arguably beneficial to both hoster and client
09:43 < nsh> (reduction of liability, reduction of trust, respectively)
09:43 < nsh> 'There is a problem with doing cryptography in a web browser, where an end user cannot (or will not) verify the entirety of code sent to them upon loading a page - a service operator can therefore inject malicious code into a previously verified page. Because of this, we can only recommend Crypton for use in packaged applications, such as with Cordova or node-webkit. For more information, see our security model.'
09:44 < nsh> so at least they acknowledge the issue
09:44 < nsh> but you can easily envision people using it in browsers anyway
09:45 < nsh> security model remains to be formalised, which is not promising as they clearly formulated enough marketing copy to be reference in several 'journalistic' media
09:45 < prosodyC> That is useful information actually, thank you. Basics are still wizardry.
09:46 < gmaxwell> nsh: still as far as I can tell, this is just "JS that encrypts data before having a server store it" .... calling it Zero knowledge is a little 0_o
09:47 < nsh> yeah, that definitely raises an eyebrow at best
09:48 < nsh> maybe related to: http://zeroknowledgeprivacy.org/about/
09:48 < nsh> s/maybe //
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14:23 < nsh> this is maybe relevant for people trying to bootstrap stronger computational models from access structures:
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14:23 < nsh> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q7aYRrGIpU
14:23 < yoleaux> Addition is Exponentially Harder than Counting for Shallow Monotone Circuits - YouTube
14:25 < nsh> specifically via weighted thresholds
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14:27 < justanotheruser> wow finally this got posted. Are posts manually added by mods or what wtf?
14:27 < justanotheruser> oops, mis ctrl+v
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