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06:49 < tromp> http://imgur.com/oy2f1J3 the bitcoin world revolves around Malta it seems:-)
06:53 < tromp> article at http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21677198-technology-behind-bitcoin-could-transform-how-economy-works-trust-machine
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06:56 < justanotheruser> tromp: I think that's more appropriate for #bitcoin
06:56 < tromp> the Malta comment was directed at certain wizards though:)
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09:01 < jcorgan> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.05833.pdf
09:02 < jcorgan> A Blind-Mixing Scheme for Bitcoin based on an Elliptic Curve
09:02 < jcorgan> Cryptography Blind Digital Signature Algorithm
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13:05 < kanzure> interactive version of http://zesty.ca/voting/sim/ is at http://zesty.ca/voting/voteline/
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13:11 < katu> jcorgan: hmm, seems like it offers no post-mortem linkability, thus opening a DoS window
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13:22 < gmaxwell> katu: it trivally does. The protocol is explained in one of my coinjoin posts.
13:22 < gmaxwell> katu: in the event of a failed join, you make the paritcipants reveal their blinding factors.
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13:30 < Jeremy_Rand> Hello gmaxwell.  I was thinking about your suggestions for storing names as hashes in Namecoin some more.  There are some proposals for Namecoin usage (not materialized yet) which rely on being able to identify related names by a prefix, i.e. you search by a prefix and you get all the names that match the prefix.  Am I correct in assuming that such functionality is incompatible with your suggestions, or is there some trick to do it that I haven'
13:30 < Jeremy_Rand> t thought of?
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17:08 < americanpegasus> WINTERS OVER JON SNOW.
17:09 < merlincorey> YOU KNOW NOTHING
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17:09 < kanzure> d/win 11
17:09 < kanzure> ejiroqejoq whoops
17:11 < americanpegasus> You gave me an idea.  I'm gonna make an infographic comparing Thrones characters to Bitcoin types
17:11 < sipa> #bitcoin please
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17:45 < nanasho> hello
17:46 < nanasho> someone is mining strange coinbase transactions
17:46 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] 'strange'?
17:46 < sipa> #bitcoin-dev or #bitcoin
17:47 < nanasho> https://blockchain.info/block-index/980642/000000000000000004a1f5535579b610f7050d2e6ea456f98a36ce7ab3547d85
17:47 < nanasho> two zero bitcoin outputs
17:47 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] zero outputs are allowed
17:47 < nanasho> http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Address/149XQ5cUYnLbdDY2Fw1NqkVJ1YZxGWfNfR
17:47 < nanasho> this address specifically
17:49 < sipa> #bitcoin please
17:49 < nanasho> gooby pls
17:51 < nanasho> i have never seen coinbases like this
17:52 < nanasho> sorry for overreacting :D
17:52 < sipa> you're free to ask, but see the topic of this channel:
17:52 < sipa>  This channel is  is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development
17:53 < nanasho> i see
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17:54 < nanasho> is there a good channel for bitcoin trading?
17:54 < maaku> #bitcoin-pricetalk
17:54 < MRL-Relay> [tacotime] #bitcoin-otc
17:54 < nanasho> now we are talking
17:55 < nanasho> thanks a bunch
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17:55 < nanasho> ok i have a theoretical question. how long would it take for an address to empty if i post the privkey on #bitcoin-otc?
17:55 < sipa> #bitcoin please
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18:00 <@gwillen> nanasho: this is a channel where people doing advanced / theoretical bitcoin research have discussions about that; please take other discussion elsewhere. You're welcome to hang out here and listen.
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19:06 < CodeShark> Is there anything published out there specifically regarding incentivizing full nodes? Or is there any decent relevant research in this area?
19:07 < sipa> i don't believe in incentivizing full nodes
19:07 < CodeShark> well, let me back up...
19:07 < sipa> only in making the barrier to running one lower
19:07 < gmaxwell> there is this design for a sybil resistant system for incentiving particpation in the network, it's called "mining"; perhaps you've heard of it? :P
19:08 < CodeShark> gmaxwell: except most full nodes don't mine and most miners don't validate
19:08 < gmaxwell> But I agree, full nodes do not, generally, provide a "capacity" where we need more of them by count.  (there are some corner cases, e.g. some kind of connection sybil resistance can be stronger with more nodes run by indifferent people)
19:09 < CodeShark> I don't mean incentivizing full nodes in the sense of extraprotocol subsidies - I'm talking about the ability to offer other services besides mining that would presumably require running a full node
19:09 < CodeShark> or the ability to make sure that miners are properly validating
19:09 < CodeShark> or incentives for invalidation of bad blocks
19:09 < CodeShark> or something along these lines
19:09 < sipa> you can offer services to the network, such as relay, access to historical blocks, indexes over UTXO sets or transactions, ...
19:10 < CodeShark> right
19:10 < sipa> but none of those require running an independent full node
19:10 < sipa> i can just run an indexer that is fed by blocks received from blockchain.info
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19:11 < CodeShark> right - although the computational cost of running an indexer is probably comparable if not more to validating the entire blockchain
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19:13 < CodeShark> so you could "cheat" by skipping validation, although it wouldn't really save you too much in costs
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23:59 < bramc> Problem: A block needs to be reorganized and the edge cases are all very complicated. Solution: Obliterate everything in the block and queue it all up to be added again.
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