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(I'm assuming that the contents would be kept in sorted order by the hash itself) Then any add() or remove() would trigger the evaluation of get_root and sorting any dirty nodes? 18:19 -!- mrkent [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [] 18:32 < smk> +version 18:42 -!- b-itcoinssg [uid41629@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fsbfqzikdkgxijbv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:53 -!- cditch [~chatzilla@c-24-8-249-84.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:11 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:23 -!- pozitrono [~nu@80.82.64.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:29 -!- CodeShark [~CodeShark@cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:30 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40 -!- archobserver [~archobser@unaffiliated/superobserver] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44 -!- King_Rex [~King_Rex@unaffiliated/king-rex/x-3258444] has quit 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