--- Log opened Sun Dec 06 00:00:29 2015 00:00 -!- zooko [~zooko@202.83.241.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:04 -!- nanasho [~nanasha25@202.83.241.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05 -!- zookolaptop [~user@202.83.241.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:09 < bramc> Oh that's why it's so quiet. Everybody's at the conference. 00:12 < gmaxwell> not everyone. 00:13 < bramc> gmaxwell, Are you not at the conference? 00:13 < gmaxwell> Nope! 00:13 < bramc> Well that's two of us 00:14 < phantomcircuit> bramc, three 00:15 < bramc> By the way, I've decided to put back in an optimization I sort of accidentally took out: Every node representation in the tree is actually two siblings side by side. Reduces cache misses. Implementation of it is a lot easier when you pass the parent in to a bunch of recursive calls. They usually ignore it but when they wouldn't it's a big mess to skip. 00:17 < fluffypony> phantomcircuit: even me! 00:17 < bramc> It's remarkable how long it takes for all this simple subtle stuff to work their way into one's brain. I think I've at least got a final API worked out now. 00:18 < bramc> But, come to think of it, I really should put in that batch is_included call. I'll go do that now. 00:19 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:20 -!- zookolaptop [~user@202.83.241.113] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:24 < bramc> Sorry to tease everyone with these strange comments without actual code. As soon as I have runnable code I'll make it available. 00:26 -!- ll_ [ca53f171@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.83.241.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:27 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@202.83.241.113] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:28 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@202.83.241.113] has quit [Client Quit] 00:28 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:28 < bramc> A funny quirk of my proof format: Proofs of inclusion are congruent to 1 modulo 33. Exclusion is 0 modulo 33. 00:29 < bramc> It's possible to trivially shave a few bytes off proof lengths, but I'm not feeling that parsimonious. 00:30 -!- Erik_dc [~erik@d54C620ED.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:31 < adlai> probably be more valuable to have a cleanly understandable prototype than an optimal one, leave trivial shavings as 'student exercises' :) 00:35 < bramc> adlai, Yes although it isn't always clear what optimizations are sufficiently meaty that I should include them. I think I have it worked out reasonably now. 00:35 -!- zookolaptop [~user@202.83.241.113] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:35 < bramc> One of the optimizations I'm not doing is porting from Python to C :-) 00:36 -!- zookolaptop [~user@202.83.241.113] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:36 < adlai> perfect student project! 00:37 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@202.83.241.187] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:37 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@202.83.241.187] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz…] 00:38 -!- zooko [~zooko@202.83.241.113] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:41 -!- LeMiner [LeMiner@unaffiliated/leminer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:42 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kahjmrosamhgxtuf] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:42 -!- jtimon [~quassel@202.83.241.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:42 -!- zookolaptop [~user@202.83.241.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:44 < bramc> True, although it is a gating factor on benchmarking and optimization. 00:45 < bramc> I mean, obviously if the Python version I'm working on beats the more algorithmically naive approach written in C on benchmarks outright, then obviously it's ahead already, but I'm not banking on that. 00:46 -!- LeMiner2 [LeMiner@5ED1AFBF.cm-7-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:48 < bramc> Once I implemented a 'high-performance set' in Python. It didn't start life as a set, it was something more complicated which got refactored into using regular sets, and it included things inline to avoid a memory lookup. It wound up being a factor of two slower than a built-in set, which was fairly impressive given the amount of bit-twiddling it did. An STL set of course supports inlining of data, so it didn't matter fo 00:48 < bramc> r a port. 00:48 -!- MoALTz [~no@78-11-179-104.static.ip.netia.com.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:48 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49 -!- LeMiner [LeMiner@unaffiliated/leminer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:50 -!- Yoghur114 [~jorn@g227014.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56 -!- psztorc [ca53f171@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.83.241.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:57 * adlai distills his joinmarket-inspired ramble: miners give blocks rhythm, but fungibility markets make their content rhyme 00:59 < bramc> I should probably do a blog post explaining the basic of how I'd redesign bitcoin peer protocol 01:01 < adlai> for which purpose? peers have varying priorities in their communication, i assume you're looking at general purpose validation nodes? 01:01 -!- Casper- [~Casper@garza.riseup.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:04 -!- Casper- [~Casper@garza.riseup.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:06 < bramc> Yeah this is for full nodes to talk to other full nodes 01:21 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 01:22 -!- TBI_ [~TBI@20.84-48-195.nextgentel.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:24 -!- TBI [~TBI@20.84-48-195.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:27 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@202.83.241.187] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:28 -!- Casper- [~Casper@garza.riseup.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:28 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@56-197-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:28 < bramc> The main idea is to keep everything from melting in the case of a battle between nearly-tied long-running forks 01:30 < bramc> *sigh* https://twitter.com/zooko/status/673419614332686336 01:31 < gmaxwell> that was from the mining panel I think. 01:31 < gmaxwell> From the IRC chatter I think you would have been cringing at a fair chunk of it. 01:34 < zooko> Bramc, gmaxwell: it appeared to me that the miner in question wasn't really familiar with payment channels or lightning network and I suspected that he thought they were altcoins. 01:35 < bramc> zooko, Yes that was obvious from what he said 01:35 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@202.83.241.187] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:36 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@202.83.241.187] has quit [Client Quit] 01:39 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@202.83.241.187] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz…] 01:41 < zooko> My personal take-away from the panel that apparently contained 90% of the mining power was that they are actively disinterested in forming opinions about how Bitcoin should be changed. 01:42 < gmaxwell> zooko: thats not inconsistent with history. 01:42 < gmaxwell> I think I've commented before; random miner view is? "Is my money shitting machine still shitting money?" "Good." 01:43 < gmaxwell> This isn't universal by far but there is a large amount of active disinterest; part of it is due to the huge cognative loads in just being a large miner. 01:43 < gmaxwell> If you're spending all your time trying to purchase power and not get defrauded on hardware.. that isn't much time to think about Bitcoin. 01:43 < zooko> *nod* 01:44 < gmaxwell> (We see a similar effect in other areas; people spending all their time on banking regulations don't have time to spend thinking about Bitcoin either...) 01:44 < zooko> Gmaxwell: you don't read my tweets do you? 01:44 < gmaxwell> No. I don't twitter unless someone links me to something. 01:45 < gmaxwell> (often I can't decode the darn things.) 01:45 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@104.194.125.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@104.194.125.34] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:45 < zooko> Ok. I tweeted that the miner panelists pled for "the core devs" to please just tell them what to do and give them software that does it. 01:49 < bramc> That presumably would be 'us', for values of 'us' not including me. 01:49 -!- erasmospunk [~erasmospu@46.166.188.225] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:50 < sipa> in montreal one of them literally asked that... so we hold this conference... what is the decision? 01:50 < zooko> I wonder who has the power to speak with the Voice of the Core Devs, from the perspective of those panelists. 01:51 < bramc> I still like the Do Nothing strategy 01:52 < gmaxwell> bramc: it's useful to have an answer to "What are you doing?" "We're doing X". 01:52 < adlai> well they're thinking all the time about Bitcoin, but neither do gold miners don't have time to hypothesize where down the table might lie 'islands of stability' 01:52 < bramc> gmaxwell, 'We're doing weak blocks and lightning network' 01:53 < sipa> "we're doing 'keep this thing running'" :) 01:54 -!- zooko [~zooko@202.83.241.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:54 < bramc> I tell people that I've been working on cryptocurrency on two thread: (1) try to figure out the viability of a proof of space based system (interesting recent thoughts on that btw) and (2) try to keep the current ecosystem from imploding. 01:55 < gmaxwell> I have been working on a post that outlines a scalablity arc. That starts with the work pieter and codeshark will present tomorrow in segwitness and fraud proofs; then improved relay (weakblocks and friends); then functionality for scalable micropayment channels; while exploring dynamic limit schemes; and keeping patches for a small size hardfork in our pocket until they become obviously safe or 01:55 < gmaxwell> obviously necessary. 01:55 -!- Casper- [~Casper@garza.riseup.net] has quit [Quit: Casper-] 01:56 < adlai> bramc: "Do Nothing" gets knee-jerk anticonservative responses. "everything must be adaptablablabla!"... so I prefer framing it as a social contract that only needs to be signed once, and any potential change should be measured by the degree to which it retroactively modifies the fine print 01:57 < gmaxwell> yea, "do nothing" is socially disadvantaged, "Something must be done! This is something! It must be done!" but besides, we're not gonna do nothing regardless, we've been doing stuff for months. 01:57 < bramc> gmaxwell, What is segwitness? 01:57 < sipa> bramc: segregated witness 01:58 < bramc> Oh right, that helps a lot/possibly is completely necessary for lightning. 01:58 -!- zookolaptop [~user@202.83.241.113] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:59 < bramc> I sometimes forget that that wasn't done right to begin with because I live in a world of unicorns and rainbows. 01:59 < gmaxwell> E.g. ho ho ho bitcoin 0.12 increased connect block tip speed about 7x. Weak relay block has been (re)invented. CLTV will lock in on the network in a few days, which already makes secure payment channels much more realistic. 02:00 < gmaxwell> And hopefully we will do segwitness-- though we'll see how it resonates with people... and give it powerful fraud proofs, that enable new security tradeoffs. 02:01 -!- Casper- [~Casper@linux-cryptofree2-a.xn--cdaan2d.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:01 < gmaxwell> We've (matt) done the relay network client and seen benefits from improved relay, time to go to the next step with with that, and get improved relay in use for all nodes. 02:01 -!- Casper- [~Casper@linux-cryptofree2-a.xn--cdaan2d.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02 -!- roconnor_ [~roconnor@host-45-58-248-193.dyn.295.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:03 -!- rgrant [~user@14.0.209.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:04 -!- roconnor [~roconnor@host-45-58-249-221.dyn.295.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:05 < adlai> how could segwit resonate badly with anybody? it's opt-in for keyholders so people who like/need malleability (or mistrust softforks by default) can just not use it, and miners do keep saying "tell us what to do"... 02:06 -!- Casper- [~Casper@linux-cryptofree2-a.xn--cdaan2d.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:07 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:08 < adlai> and "not use it" doesn't prevent luddites from accepting txs that sign from segwit outputs, because the recipients would only care that the new utxos are... whatever they ask them to be. segwit aiui doesn't break this 02:12 < Luke-Jr> adlai: segwit touches block size issues 02:13 < Luke-Jr> eg, do the witnesses count toward the limit or not 02:13 < gmaxwell> adlai: CLTV was agressively opposed by Mike Hearn, attempting (explicitly) to deadlock bitcoin protocol progress unless he got his hardfork. 02:14 < gmaxwell> adlai: I would not be surprised to see segwitness opposed for similar reasons; with the faulty rational that if conservative clear win moves are blocked pressure will make the drastic change the only option. 02:14 < gmaxwell> But I also hope I'm just being cynical here. 02:16 < gmaxwell> Also as luke notes, segwitness construction is easily a moderate defacto blocksize increase. (and the way Pieter has constructed his proposal, thats what it is). If the devisiveness has poisoned things too throughly here it may be opposed by people who've dug in too deep against "blocksize increases". 02:16 < gmaxwell> Which was one of the most critical risks that I cautioned against with that attempted push for 101 via appeal to the general public. 02:17 < adlai> re: witness limiting, obviously there should be some limit. seems to me the limit on v3 blocksize should go down, although maybe by less than the amount of space added for witnesses. plenty of room for bikesheds here :D 02:17 < gmaxwell> And avoiding that at all cost has been poltically very costly as I and others have pulled amost every punch to avoid leaving us in a case where no increase is actually possible, even one that is pretty sensibe. :( 02:17 -!- bramc [~bram@99-75-88-206.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:20 < adlai> this could be a great "win-win", it's a chance to sneak in a v3 block size decrease! 02:21 < gmaxwell> adlai: I think waxwing and Luke-Jr were discussing making a proposal that went 512k->1mb->2mb. 02:21 < gmaxwell> I've wanted a blocksize decrease for almost two years now, but didn't think it was politically viable; and instead hoped we'd be able to catch up with 1mb with libsecp256k1 and the relay network. 02:22 < gmaxwell> Did not account for how long that would take and blocksize drama slowing progress generally. :( 02:23 < adlai> finance is an order of magnitude easier to generate than verify. i mean bullshit. 02:24 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@56-197-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:25 -!- Casper- [~Casper@linux-cryptofree2-a.xn--cdaan2d.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:27 -!- zookolaptop [~user@202.83.241.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:29 -!- NewLiberty [~Joseph@2602:306:b8e0:8160:b8e2:1c9c:fe32:8ba2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:30 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@56-197-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:37 -!- 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23:28 < frankenmint> I've seen them a few times and I'm trying to figure out if its an acroynm or slang or both 23:28 < kanzure> slides from scp presentation (sorta-sharding) http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~loiluu/talks/scp.pptx 23:28 < kanzure> frankenmint: see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6100 23:28 < frankenmint> thx 23:31 < phantomcircuit> frankenmint, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md 23:32 < frankenmint> i figured it out , ack(nowledge) untested but ack ... or N(on)ack 23:32 < frankenmint> thanks phantomcircuit 23:32 < kanzure> phantomcircuit: should i prefer your link or my link for explaining? 23:34 < phantomcircuit> kanzure, there's other stuff there so it's probably better 23:34 < phantomcircuit> (mine i mean) 23:37 < kanzure> kk thank you 23:41 -!- p15x [~p15x@114.248.220.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:41 -!- p15 [~p15@52.91.145.64.client.static.strong-tk2.bringover.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:42 -!- rgrant [~user@14.0.209.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:52 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Mon Dec 07 00:00:30 2015