--- Log opened Sun Jan 03 00:00:54 2016 00:02 -!- amiller [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:02 -!- amiller is now known as Guest28941 00:15 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtag@cpe-174-97-254-80.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23 -!- supasonic [~supasonic@172-11-188-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p5DC8ADCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:32 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:32 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mikjxjghvmcoppdt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:37 -!- Transisto2 [~Trans@modemcable082.143-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:39 -!- bramc [~bram@99-75-88-206.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:52 -!- alpalp [~alp@104-54-235-28.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:54 -!- Guest28941 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:56 -!- Guest67149 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:16 -!- Guest67149 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:28 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 01:36 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:37 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:38 < tulip> jl2012: I've noticed a lot more connection churning recently, but I assumed it was my poor connection rather than anything had changed in 0.12. 01:40 -!- Guest45580 [~abcdef@41.42.70.117] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:40 -!- Guest45580 [~abcdef@41.42.70.117] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 01:44 < maaku> phantomcircuit: as far as I can tell any kind of txout commitments gain easier SPV wallet sync, but it's not obvious to me that is worth the cost 01:45 < maaku> what would be worth the cost, and was the prime justification I saw, was fraud proofs. but backrefs get you that 01:48 -!- pozitrono [~nu@d4.35.01a8.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:51 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has quit [] 02:00 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:00 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02 -!- adam3us [~Adium@141.8.72.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02 -!- adam3us [~Adium@141.8.72.43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:03 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:12 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:13 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:16 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has quit [Client Quit] 02:22 -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:47 -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:54 < jl2012> tulip: thanks but that's not related. I'm in the SW-testnet 03:06 -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@178-157-152.dynamic.cyta.gr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:08 -!- c-cex-yuriy [uid76808@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wbjsjqcoporvxbar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:10 -!- Guest63813 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:13 -!- yosso [~yosso@bzq-84-111-157-118.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:14 < yosso> Must a lighning node be a full bitcoinnode? 03:15 < yosso> bitcoin node 03:19 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:21 < stonecoldpat> yosso: to the best of my just after holidays knowledge, not necessarily. Assuming you can trust the deposit transaction is in the blockchain (which spv allows you), then all you need to record are transactions inside your channel. Although you do need to maintain good network activity to listen for earlier invalidated transactions being broadcasted (i think their called breach transactions?) 03:22 -!- pozitrono [~nu@d4.35.01a8.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24 -!- Darknes is now known as penjenayah 03:25 < aj> yosso: i think all the initial implementations will assume you're also running a full bitcoin node though 03:25 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27 < stonecoldpat> what i mean by maintaining good network connections - every time you do a payment in the channel, both parties create a new pair of "Revocable Commitment Transactions" and invalidate the previous pair. To invalidate the previous pair, you send the counter party a "Breach Remedy Transaction". So as a participant, you need to listen to the network to ensure a previously revoked transaction has not been broadcast to the netw 03:37 < aj> stonecoldpat: not quite -- if someone *publishes* one of the outdated commitment transactions, the other person publishes a "breach remedy transaction" to the blockchain to claim all the funds 03:37 < aj> stonecoldpat: ie, you don't send it to your counterparty, you send it to the blockchain 03:40 < stonecoldpat> aj: sorry thats what i ment, (to set up the breanch remedy transaction requires you to sign it and send to counter party) and then yeah you broadcast it to the network 03:41 -!- Guest63813 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49 -!- Emcy [~MC@cpc3-swan1-0-0-cust996.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:49 -!- Emcy [~MC@cpc3-swan1-0-0-cust996.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:49 -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:50 -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:03 -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:07 < yosso> I see. Is it realistic then to assume mobile ligthning nodes? 04:07 -!- zookolaptop [~user@p5DDBAF2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:10 -!- amiller [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:10 -!- amiller is now known as Guest55022 04:11 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@124x36x254x113.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:14 -!- wallet421 [~wallet42@124x36x254x113.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:14 -!- wallet421 [~wallet42@124x36x254x113.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Changing host] 04:14 -!- wallet421 [~wallet42@unaffiliated/wallet42] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:14 -!- wallet42 is now known as Guest75845 04:14 -!- Guest75845 [~wallet42@124x36x254x113.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Killed (asimov.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 04:14 -!- wallet421 is now known as wallet42 04:16 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:21 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@56-197-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:27 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: GGuyZ] 04:30 -!- Guest55022 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:30 -!- trippysalmon [rob@2001:984:6466:0:51d:b5ab:ab61:bed8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:30 -!- dcousens [~anon@c110-22-219-15.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:31 -!- adlai1 [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:32 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p5DC8ADCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:32 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:42 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:46 -!- pozitron [~nu@safersocial2.webair.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:03 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:04 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:06 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@unaffiliated/wallet42] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:14 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@124x36x254x113.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:14 -!- trippysalmon [rob@2001:984:6466:0:51d:b5ab:ab61:bed8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:19 -!- Guest27073 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:21 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:33 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:34 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mikjxjghvmcoppdt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:42 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@user-46-113-121-59.play-internet.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:45 -!- MoALTz [~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:46 -!- MoALTz_ is now known as MoALTz 05:47 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gpkzvxtureyuohuv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:47 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:50 -!- dcousens [~anon@c110-22-219-15.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:51 -!- dcousens [~anon@c110-22-219-15.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:51 -!- adlai1 is now known as adlai 05:53 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@124x36x254x113.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:57 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@124x36x254x113.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:09 -!- Piper-Off is now known as Monthrect 06:15 -!- supasonic [~supasonic@172-11-188-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:15 -!- alpalp [~alp@104-54-235-28.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:19 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@78-11-180-214.static.ip.netia.com.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:20 -!- MoALTz [~no@user-46-113-121-59.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:21 -!- MoALTz_ is now known as MoALTz 06:22 < kanzure> "There is an “N depth” idea in BU, where nodes switch from regarding one chain as valid to another chain, if the chain with larger blocks has a lead of N blocks." 06:22 < kanzure> this seems to be impossible when the block sizes are beyond bandwidth limits 06:25 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@ip1f11db5b.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:31 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:35 < kanzure> "people seem to assume that miners would all the sudden just make bigger blocks simply because they can - as if they never could" 06:36 < kanzure> this is false. people suggest that an adversary will be capable of making bigger blocks, not that non-adversarial miners wouldn't. also, certain adversaries only attack when opportunity arises, such as big blocks, or other vulnerabilities. 06:36 < kanzure> "and, of course, as we all know, they ought to find it more profitable to not do such attack. etc. Basically, these attacks have nothing to do with BU because BU sets a limit just as hard as core's current 1mb," 06:36 < kanzure> this reasoning also doesn't make sense- if it has something to do with bitcoin, then it's not going to have nothing to do with BU :-) 06:39 < kanzure> "we can assume that 51% of them will be honest (if we don't make such assumption then bitcoin does not work)." 06:39 < kanzure> that's really only true for spv mode 06:44 < kanzure> "The miners therefore will set the limit ... hence BU provides a defence to the criticisms made against automatic algorithmic change." 06:44 < alpalp> kanzure: why spend so much time analyzing what is essentially flat earthers? 06:44 < instagibbs> alpalp, +1 . I'd rather debate PoS :P 06:45 < kanzure> criticism of bip100 was often something like "we already know that miners can agree on big block increases, that's not useful for bitcoin" 06:45 < kanzure> so... it is not a defense. 06:45 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:45 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:46 < alpalp> defense from what? A reddit army who wants a charismatic leader to help them lose tens of dollars? 06:48 < kanzure> alpalp: not helpful, even if you're correct that they are sockpuppets. 06:48 < alpalp> kanzure: even if not sockpuppets - is there any chance at all anyone with anything at stake will switch to a coin with no development team and hand waving? If so, maybe they deserve to lose their money. 06:49 < alpalp> IMO the goal of the project is just meant to distract useful work 06:51 < alpalp> I dont think a huge number of accounts are sockpuppets, just naive users with small stakes and lots of free time. Voting def seems like socks 06:56 -!- JackH [~Jack@host-80-43-143-141.as13285.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:59 < maaku> yosso: lightning edge nodes don't need to be online 24/7 07:00 < maaku> and there are many use cases where delayed payments are ok, in which case they could still be routed through so long as the mobile device connects at least once a day or so 07:01 < maaku> and with full lightning (CSV + segwit) you can outsource the blockchain watching to anybody else 07:01 < maaku> so you don't have to be online to make sure your coins are safe, you just have to be online to be routed through 07:05 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:10 < yosso> maaku: thanks, wasn´t the distinction between edge nodes and hubs replaced with direct pathes? Or am I confusing something? 07:10 < maaku> yosso: i prefer not to call routable nodes hubs 07:10 < maaku> it confuses things 07:11 < maaku> otherwise can you rephrase? I'm not sure what you mean 07:13 -!- smk [adc7413d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.199.65.61] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:13 < yosso> assuming the network is better of if all nodes are routable as the funds in those channels will be avaiable, is it resonable to assume such nodes running on mobiles? 07:15 -!- alpalp [~alp@104-54-235-28.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16 < instagibbs> yosso, if you didn't know there is #lightning-dev 07:16 < yosso> I didnt, thanks 07:17 -!- alpalp [~alp@104-54-235-28.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:18 -!- oneeman [~oneeman@ip48-68-15-186.ct.co.cr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:26 < maaku> yosso: sure, why not? 07:26 -!- murch_ [~murch@p4FE3A839.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:27 < maaku> you can get push notification of a transaction in progress, and sign on the device 07:28 < maaku> that said, it may be tricky and/or difficult to pull off, so it's more of a target to work towards 07:30 < yosso> Wasn´t sure if SPV node could be a routable lighning node. Happy to hear it is. I think its important as avalable routs are important for reducing the amounts that must be ¨frozen¨ in channels. 07:30 -!- murch_ is now known as murch 07:30 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:31 < alpalp> yosso: all thats needed is the ability to sign and get notifications for requests to sign, and to store enough info to submit recovery transactions after protocol violations. 07:34 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: GGuyZ] 07:34 < yosso> alpalp: thanks, i get it now 07:37 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:48 -!- roman__ [~quassel@ANice-652-1-251-47.w86-203.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:49 -!- smk [adc7413d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.199.65.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:54 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-139-55-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:04 -!- smk [adc7413d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.199.65.61] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:08 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:09 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 08:26 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xjxhgxeqbqsikclw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:30 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:31 -!- yosso [~yosso@bzq-84-111-157-118.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:34 -!- wangchun [~wangchun@li414-193.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:34 -!- wangchun [~wangchun@li414-193.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:43 -!- kmels [~kmels@120.62.151.186.static.intelnet.net.gt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:43 < Taek> "we can assume that 51% of them will be honest (if we don't make such assumption then bitcoin does not work)." ===> This is a pretty common mistake. It's a very weak assumption. Much stronger to assume that 51%+ are rationally motivated, and then prove that whatever system is incentive-compatible. That's approx. what Bitcoin is, though lots of people would question whether Bitcoin was truly incentive-compatible 09:12 -!- blackmarble [~Mike@97-81-127-76.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:19 < alpalp> Taek: small nitpick, you can be rationally motivated but have incentives that make the cost of attacking worth it - example - taking out a large short position before attack. Though that likely falls under your definition of incentive-compatible 09:21 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-peprlboxshyigpdo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:21 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gpkzvxtureyuohuv] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22 -!- jl2012 [uid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uwixjgxomtvwwowu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:22 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krldpvepevjdrtfq] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:23 -!- jl2012 [uid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gxonomuhxjdywufo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:25 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fowwmhqeqoqhptim] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:37 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@110.Red-88-1-124.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 09:47 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wppjzgknzfgvijxd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:01 -!- tucenaber_ [~tucenaber@o144.231.lokis.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:05 < kanzure> "Verifiable ASICs" http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1243.pdf 10:05 -!- tucenaber_ [~tucenaber@o144.231.lokis.net.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:07 < kanzure> async secure multiparty computation http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1238.pdf (i thought we had some models that required only 1 honest participate, not 2/3rds?) 10:13 < nsh> (no) 10:14 < kanzure> "A guide to fully homomorphic encryption" http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1192.pdf 10:15 < nsh> there are models that work with honest majority, more constrained models that work with smaller honest cohorts. i don't think there exists a model of SMC that works with a single honest party 10:15 < nsh> i would imagine that would make things very difficult indeed 10:16 < nsh> this might be the closest: https://mpclounge.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/publicly-auditable-secure-multiparty-computation/ 10:16 < nsh> -- 10:16 < nsh> In multi-party computation a set of $n$ players wants to compute a function $y=f$ on inputs $x_1, …, x_n$ where each input $x_i$ is private information to player $i$. Security in this setting means that each player essentially learns *Nothing* new other then the result $y$. 10:16 < nsh> In the above definition the meaning of security holds if at least one player is still honest (or acting non-corrupt). In this presentation the notion and meaning of security is extended to include the setting where all parties are corrupted however leaving an auditable transcript of the computation allowing third-party observers to audit the computation afterwards. Naturally the transcript is public 10:16 < nsh> information and the above security definition must still hold in the presents of a single honest party. 10:16 < nsh> -- 10:18 -!- bramc [~bram@99-75-88-206.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:21 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:25 < kanzure> "libgroupsig: An extensible C library for group signatures" http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1146.pdf 10:26 < kanzure> https://bitbucket.org/jdiazvico/libgroupsig/src 10:29 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fowwmhqeqoqhptim] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:31 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-miqmwkheaaubxqkw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:31 -!- sparetire_ [~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:34 < kanzure> "Witness signatures and non-malleable multi-prover zero-knowledge proofs" http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1095.pdf 10:35 < kanzure> .. but requires hardware token model, and claims that doing it without tamper-proof hardware tokens is impossible if BPP != NP 10:37 < kanzure> "Motivated by the goal of removing trusted setup assumptions from cryptography, we introduce the notion of witness signatures. This primitive allows any party with a valid witness to an NP statement to sign a message on behalf of that statement. We also require these signatures to be unforgeable: that is, producing a signature on a new message (even given several message, signature pairs) should be as hard as computing a witness to the ... 10:37 < kanzure> ... NP statement itself. Witness signatures are closely related to previously well-studied notions such as non-malleable non-interactive zero knowledge arguments, and signatures of knowledge." 10:38 -!- brg444 [415ce066@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.92.224.102] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:39 < kanzure> "How to use SNARKs in universally composable protocols" http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1093.pdf 10:42 < kanzure> http://oblivm.com/publications.html and bucket oram http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1065.pdf 10:47 -!- Guest27073 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:52 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:55 -!- fuc is now known as MrHodl 10:56 -!- Guest35587 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:58 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:05 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:06 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:07 -!- OneFixt [~OneFixt@unaffiliated/onefixt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11 < kanzure> "Cryptographic assumptions: a position paper" http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/907.pdf (goldwasser stuff) 11:16 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:23 -!- brg444 [415ce066@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.92.224.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:27 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:27 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:31 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:32 -!- brg4444 [415ce066@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.92.224.102] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:34 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-miqmwkheaaubxqkw] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:35 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-krldpvepevjdrtfq] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:36 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fmgwbsflsbodvhsi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:36 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-buzulyspiaqlmdzv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:39 -!- roconnor [~roconnor@host-45-58-248-238.dyn.295.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:44 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:59 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00 -!- jtimon [~quassel@103.red-80-26-235.adsl.dynamic.ccgg.telefonica.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:07 -!- jtimon [~quassel@103.red-80-26-235.adsl.dynamic.ccgg.telefonica.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11 -!- nabu [~nabu@104.200.151.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:22 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:23 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:43 -!- Yoghur114_2 [~jorn@g227014.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:53 -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54 -!- c-cex-finch [uid120855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-beavigekgmjgdvwe] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:00 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:04 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:15 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@56-197-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:19 -!- a7b9d6e6 [~a7b9d6e6@unaffiliated/washirving] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:19 -!- roconnor [~roconnor@host-45-58-248-238.dyn.295.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19 -!- zookolaptop [~user@p5DDBAF2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28 -!- zookolaptop [~user@p5DDBAF2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:29 -!- zookolaptop [~user@p5DDBAF2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29 -!- zookolaptop [~user@p5DDBAF2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:31 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:33 -!- psztorc [~psztorc@ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:36 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has quit [] 13:41 -!- freekevin [freekevin@unaffiliated/freekevin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:42 < freekevin> hi 13:42 < freekevin> why does the blockchain need a sidechain? 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forwarding of blocks/transactions with validation? 16:20 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: GGuyZ] 16:23 -!- c0rw1n is now known as c0rw|zZz 16:30 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:40 -!- Yoghur114_2 [~jorn@g227014.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46 -!- Quanttek [~quassel@ip1f11db5b.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:49 < kanzure> .g site:diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin moxiebox 16:49 < yoleaux> No results found. 16:49 < kanzure> JackH: nope 16:50 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:52 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hzawfbzdvvkyzgsm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:54 -!- brg4444 [415ce066@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.92.224.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:59 -!- jl2012 [uid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lmrtxkclofavzkqu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:01 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:03 -!- jl2012 [uid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pzvdwcplsqlazteq] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:04 -!- binaryFate [~binaryFat@ANantes-655-1-302-29.w90-54.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:10 -!- pozitrono [~nu@162.216.46.157] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:10 -!- Emcy [~MC@cpc3-swan1-0-0-cust996.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:10 -!- Emcy [~MC@cpc3-swan1-0-0-cust996.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:10 -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:12 -!- Emcy_ [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:20 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:21 < dcousens> alpalp: probably just forwarding of blocks and validation 17:22 -!- dave4925 [dave4925@unaffiliated/dave4925] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25 < dcousens> [4h[P 17:27 -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@ip68-97-45-209.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:30 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:32 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:34 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:37 -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@56-197-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:02 -!- MrHodl [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:08 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:11 < bramc> Does anybody know if katu did that proof of space write-up? 18:15 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:21 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:24 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25 < kanzure> re: bip-johnjegutanis-efficient-block-relay-format ( https://gist.github.com/erasmospunk/23040383b7620b525df0 ) the argument for smaller blocks is not just bitcoin p2p consensus latency. weak blocks are still useful even if they don't resolve a big vs small block question. 18:25 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:27 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:28 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:30 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:34 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:36 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:38 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:40 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:40 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:42 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:44 -!- psztorc [~psztorc@ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:45 -!- Logicwax [~Logicwax@c-76-126-174-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:45 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:48 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:51 -!- Logicwax [~Logicwax@c-76-126-174-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:51 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:54 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54 -!- justanotheruser [~Justan@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:56 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:56 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56 -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@178-157-152.dynamic.cyta.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:58 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:59 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:00 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:01 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:04 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:04 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09 -!- kmels [~kmels@120.62.151.186.static.intelnet.net.gt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:09 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:09 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:14 -!- fuc [~fuc@91.210.105.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40 -!- p15 [~p15@42.91.145.64.client.static.strong-tk2.bringover.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:44 < dcousens> if I get a SCRIPT_ERR_UNKNOWN_ERROR from my tx 19:45 < dcousens> what might cause that? (so far, only place I see it gets set is from an exception being thrown in EvalScript, otherwise somethign else is always set) 19:45 < dcousens> (its also the default, but, it should be safe to assume EvalScript is called at least once) 19:47 < dcousens> eh, i'll post this to core-dev actually 19:57 -!- brianhoffman [~brianhoff@pool-173-79-161-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:02 -!- oneeman [~oneeman@ip48-68-15-186.ct.co.cr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:06 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: GGuyZ] 20:15 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:16 -!- GGuyZ_ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:16 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16 -!- GGuyZ_ is now known as GGuyZ 20:22 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:28 -!- a5m0 [~a5m0@unaffiliated/a5m0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:29 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:30 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:33 -!- GGuyZ [~GGuyZ@216-15-125-203.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: GGuyZ] 20:35 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:41 -!- wallet42 [~wallet42@124x36x254x113.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:48 -!- dcousens [~anon@c110-22-219-15.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:48 -!- dcousens [~anon@c110-22-219-15.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:58 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1018:c0b1:a188:65d4:c820:cde1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:12 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:13 < tulip> alpalp: no. a "full node" is talking about "fully validating", nothing about a node needs to have any contact with the Bitcoin P2P network. you can make one which syncs from binaries posted on Reddit if you really wanted to. it would still be fully validating. Bitcoin Core can run in "blocks only" mode which doesn't relay transactions, but it still fully validates everything. 21:34 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-139-55-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:50 < dcousens> In regards to SegWit, has anyone thought about how it might aid an authority perform a soft-fork for backdooring scriptSigs for transactions? This is a late-afternoon-beer thought 21:51 < dcousens> Though I guess its no different than before with OP codes, and miners would still have to mine it, so nvm 21:51 < andytoshi> dcousens: "perform a soft-fork" by coercing miners into censorship? 21:51 < dcousens> yeah 21:52 < dcousens> but not censorship, but straight up allowing someone else to spend? 21:55 < andytoshi> segwit does not make that any more or less possible 21:55 < andytoshi> actually creating invalid transactions (and assuming people won't check the sigs) would be a hardfork to all fully validating nodes 21:56 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:57 < dcousens> yeah, you could do what i'm thinking of now with just a OP_NOP code 21:58 < dcousens> well actually, no 21:58 < dcousens> will continue discussion with you privately until its a coherent thought ;) 21:58 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has quit [] 22:00 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:02 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:05 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:13 < dcousens> thanks for clearing that up andytoshi, tl;dr was my confusion around how segwit-only hard-forks would work :) 22:14 < andytoshi> awesome :) 22:15 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has quit [] 22:20 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:24 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has quit [Client Quit] 22:28 -!- psztorc [~psztorc@ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:29 -!- psztorc is now known as Guest53483 22:36 -!- sparetire_ [~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire] has quit [Quit: sparetire_] 22:39 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:40 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:42 -!- deego [~user@unaffiliated/deego] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:52 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:02 -!- Guest53483 [~psztorc@ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:08 -!- Guest53483 [~psztorc@ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:14 -!- c-cex-finch [uid120855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cvocleuykvlagkox] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:24 -!- melvster [~melvster@188.242.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:26 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:30 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:34 -!- tjader [~tjader@189.60.213.1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:36 -!- supasonic [~supasonic@172-11-188-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:40 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:54 -!- jannes [~jannes@092-111-146-044.static.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:54 -!- tulip [~tulip@unaffiliated/tulip] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:56 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wppjzgknzfgvijxd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] --- Log closed Mon Jan 04 00:00:55 2016