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00:37 < MRL-Relay> [shen] AdrianG, it's not that they are "not secure in practice" it would be more correct to say that people don't necessarily trust the random oracle model - the reason is it approximates hash functions by a "truly random" function, which is obviously not true
00:37 < MRL-Relay> [shen] AdrianG see also: http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/22356/difference-between-hash-function-and-random-oracle
00:41 < MRL-Relay> [shen] Usually the security in ring signature applciation is somehow related to the assumption that it is improbable to find the discrete log of something like hash_to_scalar(P)*G
00:41 < MRL-Relay> [shen] (and variations of that assumption)
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04:39 < stevenroose_> Is it possible to create a safe recurring payments scheme using locktime and/or relative locktime?
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04:55 < stevenroose_> You could pay several months upfront using locktime and already hand the transactions to the recipient, but then they there is no real difference between prepaid and a subscription
04:55 < stevenroose_> Except that you can quit between two payments
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05:12 < CiPi> http://www.ieet.org/images/uploads/my_precious_bitcoin.jpg
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07:17 < CiPi2> jcorgan, i will fuck your days.
07:17 < CiPi2> :)
07:17 < CiPi2> beleave me.
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07:43 < region33> jcorgan; You`re too old for this shit. :). I don`t understand why and old man like you looses his time in this way. You don`t have much time to live and you already lost the bitcoin train. Even if you ban me again. I can get in, time and time again, and speak whatever i want, where i want. You`re helpless and is nothing you can do about it. :)
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09:18 < coinoperated> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0096300315010619
09:18 < coinoperated> .title
09:18 < yoleaux> The peloton superorganism and protocooperative behavior
09:18 < coinoperated> also, selfish drafting attacks
09:19 < bsm117532> That looks like an exercise in using as many made-up words as possible.
09:20 < coinoperated> plot twist:  all words are made up
09:25 < kanzure> but some have consensus
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09:37 < coinoperated> proof of homework
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21:06 < roconnor> In a TX, the signature of a script is stripped out of the subscript ... is there any possible way that a valid signature could ever appear in the subscript?
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21:30 < phantomcircuit> roconnor, huh?
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21:36 < roconnor> phantomcircuit: https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/7/70/Bitcoin_OpCheckSig_InDetail.png  In step 3 the signature inside a subscript is stripped if it exists.
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21:37 < roconnor> but if the signature is valid, it is a signature of some variant of TxNew, but TxNew contains the hash of TxPrev, which cointains all the data that appears in the subscript.
21:37 < phantomcircuit> roconnor, well yeah you cant sign the signature
21:38 < roconnor> So it is just another bit of bitcoin weirdness rather than anything subtle?
21:39 < phantomcircuit> roconnor, bitcoin is weird in that the inputs are signed at all
21:39 < phantomcircuit> i never understood that
21:42 < roconnor> phantomcircuit: a complicated way of putting the OutPoint into the data being signed?
21:43 < phantomcircuit> roconnor, ok but even then why
21:43 < phantomcircuit> oh address reuse
21:43 < phantomcircuit> duh
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