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What an awful idea! 17:31 < r0ach> the first time I saw it mentioned with things like huntercoin, new forms of slavery immediately came to mind 17:32 < adlai> proof-of-go, while it lasts ( http://qntra.net/2016/02/markets-favoring-man-over-machine-in-upcoming-go-match/ ) 17:32 -!- Crowley4k [uid81280@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-txdrfgmgjdrholmp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:33 * adlai notes that mircea's own news site does not use referral addresses to his own betting site; truly, money left on the table 17:33 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@72.Red-83-47-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@72.Red-83-47-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:34 < adlai> ;;later tell belcher https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/commit/508d65f9a9c3f7ad7c542e11d19148c91b89e943#commitcomment-16164785 17:34 < gribble> The operation succeeded. 17:35 < adlai> proof-of-bet + stake signature agrees on score... so what if alphago starts mining too. who cares. 17:35 < adlai> (no agreement, no reward. tiny bet, tiny reward) 17:38 < bsm1175321> http://fc16.ifca.ai/bitcoin/papers/CDE+16.pdf 17:38 < instagibbs> "Verify, then trust" <-- betta 17:39 < adlai> please, for the academically challenged -- what exactly is a 'position' paper? 17:39 < bsm1175321> instagibbs: never trust, always verify. ;-) 17:39 < instagibbs> you can trust after verifying ;) 17:40 < bsm1175321> adlai: eh I hadn't noticed that. That means it contains no results, only blathering and speculation. 17:40 < adlai> ah, thank you for clarifying. 17:40 < instagibbs> not unlike this channel :) 17:40 < adlai> nothing wrong with properly-labelled bullshit 17:41 < bsm1175321> I skimmed it, it doesn't contain anything I didn't already know AFAICT but if someone needs to know why scaling is a problem in a short 16 pages... 17:41 -!- bit2017 [~linker@115.79.43.208] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:46 -!- p15 [~p15@87.91.145.64.client.static.strong-tk2.bringover.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:24 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-111-237.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:30 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-122-14-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:33 -!- andy-logbot [~bitcoin--@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:44 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-36-98.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:52 -!- voxelot [~voxelot@2605:e000:1525:802f:18f3:1d02:b6ff:edea] has joined 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