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05:22 < nsh> --
05:22 < nsh> Abstract: This paper investigates the existence of cryptographic functions and protocols in a model of computation based on compass-and-straightedge (C&S) geometry. The inability to share a secret in this model gives us insight into the nature of both the C&S and traditional Turing Machine (TM) models. We provide substantial introduction for the benefit of mathematicians not particularly familiar wi
05:22 < nsh> th computability, computational complexity, or cryptography
05:22 < nsh> -- http://math.uchicago.edu/~may/VIGRE/VIGRE2007/REUPapers/FINALFULL/Ruggeri.pdf
05:22 < nsh> Example 5.1.
05:22 < nsh> Sample a point z∈C. This defines an angle ∠ZOex. It is easy to construct an angle which is triple this. Further, it is elementary to prove that one cannot trisect this arbitrary angle in the C&S model. So constructing the triple is a one-way function. Burmester, Rivest, and Shamir used this as the basis of a zero-knowledge proof of knowledge.
05:22 < nsh> -- heh...
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05:55 < TheIdea> does anyone know a good flowchart software that can be used interactively with other over the www?
05:55 < TheIdea> there is jsPlumb but I can't find the interactive part
05:55 < TheIdea> with others
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06:13 < waxwing> nsh: thanks for the link to schnorr.md writeup, that helps.
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07:14 < itsmeagainn> http://i.piccy.info/i9/c7feca678551893bce9f8a675be88647/1458235015/63770/1015338/pc.jpg        17hKzAXSi6uqGb9hVQFARgrt1HEHamAtua
07:15 < petertodd> https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/711509076065255424 <- turns out that you can put multiple PGP sigs on a single git commit, along with all kinds of other fun
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07:33 < waxwing> cool, always wondered about that.
07:34 < waxwing> so with this schnorr M of M, could you not just have a single signature for a btc transaction - say all input utxos have different pubkeys - and not even need the hash-then-add trick? because pubkeys are defined in the utxos.
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08:01 < bsm1175321> waxwing: What kind of UTXOs have pubkeys in them?  UTXOs have hash(pubkey) which can't be used...
08:02 < waxwing> bsm1175321: sure of course you'd have to publish the pubkey, but my point is that it's fixed by the utxo
08:02 < bsm1175321> True.  That's an interesting idea.
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08:56 < TheIdea> I've created a visual representation with some sybil attempts: http://creately.com/diagram/im0kx96s1/Bmt3vH6dsiGaJyqHoOsKrWSrMw=  would be nice to get some critic
09:00 < Taek> woah that's a cool tool
09:02 < Taek> TheIdea: 'vouch of Genuinity' is not likely to work very well. If you look at the history of the Turing Test you'll see that increasingly robots are able to convince humans that they are humans
09:02 < Taek> often using cheap + dirty tricks, and once you realize you've been fooled you can tell in hindsight, but in this case a person might never realize that they are being fooled
09:04 < bsm1175321> The only way to reliably identify humans is centralized: birth, death, drivers license registries.  And, there's a non-trivial error rate no matter what you do.  Humans are so last century.
09:04 < TheIdea> thats why unidentified users have low credibility
09:05 < TheIdea> and can't sign eContracts that need proof of Identity
09:06 < TheIdea> the idea is that everything is optional and the community is in control of everything
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09:07 < TheIdea> hurdles and failsafes and a dynamically changeable system that adapts to threats
09:07 < TheIdea> that is still missing from the visualisation
09:07 < TheIdea> Ill have to make a new one for that
09:08 < TheIdea> I think Ill work on that now
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09:16 < nsh> waxwing, np :)
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11:31 < TheIdea> I've updated my project with a visualizations: http://sandboiler.tigrimigri.com/ I'd love to hear your opinions and criticism. Where you want more detail what should be changed etc.
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