--- Log opened Sun Apr 03 00:00:03 2016 --- Day changed Sun Apr 03 2016 00:00 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:04 -!- rhett [~everett@c-73-223-86-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: rhett] 00:13 -!- phantomcircuit [~phantomci@192.241.205.97] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:16 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16 < fluffypony> nonaTure: those are more #bitcoin-dev questions 00:18 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:21 < Luke-Jr> nonaTure: not possible 00:22 < Luke-Jr> you can't verify block X until you process block X-1 00:22 < Luke-Jr> going all the way back 00:23 -!- rhett [~everett@c-73-223-86-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:26 -!- sdsdsd [~Disposal@c-68-58-221-217.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:27 -!- 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[Remote host closed the connection] 01:28 < nonaTure> rhett: what is proof of space? 01:28 < nonaTure> I really like proof of storage 01:28 < rhett> nonaTure: i think i mean proof of storage 01:28 < rhett> do you know of any coins doing that? 01:29 < nonaTure> rhett: check out siacoin - they also had a talk at the MIT bitcoin expo. pretty neat 01:29 -!- wallet42 [uid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-osadxqdmszmejgmg] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:30 < nonaTure> bitcoin should also think about a slow change of the PoX 01:30 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:31 < rhett> it would be such a mess for bitcon to ever change away from PoW 01:31 < rhett> bitfury just spent $100M on a datacenter 01:32 < nonaTure> where? in china? 01:33 < rhett> Georgia, the country 01:33 < nonaTure> interesting. cheap nuclear power? 01:34 < rhett> i don’t know 01:35 < nonaTure> switching the PoW seems unlikely but adding additional PoX should be considered 01:36 < rhett> 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07:06 -!- bsm117532 [~AndChat70@static-108-21-236-13.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:10 < bsm117532> http://arxiv.org/abs/1603.07926 07:11 < bsm117532> A Prunable Blockchain Consensus Protocol Based on Non-Interactive Proofs of Past States Retrievability 07:15 -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:16 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:16 -!- LeMiner2 [LeMiner@5ED1AFBF.cm-7-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:17 < kanzure> "As the growth of the blockchain is not bounded" what? 07:19 -!- LeMiner [LeMiner@unaffiliated/leminer] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:19 -!- LeMiner2 is now known as LeMiner 07:20 -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:20 -!- bitri [~bitri@cpe-74-71-130-222.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:26 -!- sausage_factory [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined 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JackH: of course it is 08:02 < justanotheruser> Unless you found a way to find sha256 preimages 08:06 < TD-Linux> it depends on if you parse "growth of the blockchain" as "blockchain size" or "rate of change of blockchain size" 08:07 < JackH> I just think its worded weird 08:07 -!- Starduster [~SD@unaffiliated/starduster] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:10 -!- zooko [~user@c-73-217-16-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:10 -!- fluffypony [~fluffypon@unaffiliated/fluffypony] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:11 -!- fluffypony [~fluffypon@coreteam.getmonero.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:11 -!- fluffypony [~fluffypon@coreteam.getmonero.org] has quit [Changing host] 08:11 -!- fluffypony [~fluffypon@unaffiliated/fluffypony] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:13 -!- bitri [~bitri@cpe-74-71-130-222.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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We are CryptoAi, a machine learning centered systematic hedge fund start-up interested in modeling crypto currency markets For more information on the position please view our recruitment doc 11:18 < CryptoAi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jt7VKAI6_jU-yaMJX2A7Bj8JpLN0hhgfmrMrmy1PUHs/edit?usp=sharing 11:18 -!- Erik_dc [~erik@ip-83-101-50-182.customer.schedom-europe.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25 -!- PRab_ [~chatzilla@c-68-51-175-167.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:26 -!- bitri [~bitri@cpe-74-71-130-222.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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