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[~chatzilla@c-68-34-102-231.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:14 < bsm1175321> There are a multitude of ways to measure time. But zero ways to cryptographically prove your measurement, AFAIK, and that's the problem. 09:14 * bsm1175321 returns 12 hours later and confuses AM for PM... 09:28 < nsh> you can prove post hoc ergo proctor hoc 09:28 < nsh> but that is not the same as establishing a temporal or geographic bound 09:48 < JackH> http://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0503060.pdf Multi-Dimensional Hash Chains and Application to Micropayment Schemes 09:52 < JackH> pre Bitcoin payment/hash proposal 09:56 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:00 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:03 -!- PRab [~chatzilla@c-68-34-102-231.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 10:04 -!- PRab [~chatzilla@c-68-34-102-231.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:09 -!- Tiraspol [~Tiraspol3@unaffiliated/tiraspol] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09 -!- Tiraspol 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