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11:49 < TD-Linux> "An attestation of execution provides information for verifying that the certificate was created within the TEE (and that the validator waited the allotted time)."
11:49 < TD-Linux> of all the things that SGX can do, I don't see how it can reasonably securely attest elapsed time
11:49 < nsh> trusted execution environment?
11:50 < nsh> that's pretty much the only thing you can attest to
11:50 < TD-Linux> context is http://intelledger.github.io/introduction.html
11:50 < nsh> hmm
11:52 < nsh> well, this looks interesting but you'd be insane to bet any money on the security of hypercomplex microprocessor architectural bells and whistles that have been tested approximately not at all
11:54 < nsh> i don't understand why they replace the random oracle with some transcript/attestation that the minimal timer was created in the trusted environment. this seems like a more contrived and less provable way to achieve effectively the same thing as a hash lottery
11:54 < nsh> well, i suppose 'scaling' is the motivation
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11:56 < TD-Linux> rather than burning power hashing, you now buy intel chips that are mostly idle.
11:57 < TD-Linux> there are a lot of interesting questions to answer here, such as how the security differs from, say, a stored value system on SGX
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11:59 < nsh> 'the base journal implementation'   is this for blockdata filestorage?
11:59 < nsh> it'll be useful to see how they separate out the different functions anyway. all grist to the mill
11:59 < kanzure> sgx complaint is being communicated to intel today by a messenger from our community
12:00 < kanzure> or at least, a request to please fix sgx
12:00 < kanzure> also: see previous sgx mentions in -wizards logs
12:03 < nsh> oh wait, this is an intel research project?
12:03 < nsh> heh...
12:03 < nsh> (it would be nice if you could do a keyword search for the logs and it could bring up snippets in context)
12:03 < nsh> (that's something for a rainy weekend)
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12:48 < JackH> !seen bramc
12:48 < gribble> bramc was last seen in #bitcoin-wizards 3 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <bramc> kanzure: I'm planning on doing that, but would like some more feedback first
12:48 < JackH> wtf
13:00 < kanzure> he has been reading logs from bitcoin core slack interface, probably
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13:05 < kanzure> "Enhancing bitcoin security and performance with strong consistency via collective signing" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.06997.pdf
13:05 < kanzure> seems to be a sharding proposal plus multisig
13:07 < JackH> he is on slack only?
13:08 < JackH> I wanted to get his review on this: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0503060.pdf
13:08 < JackH> since he commented on the fake satoshi hash tube paper
13:08 < JackH> this is similar, but seems more structured and actually completed
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21:31 < LordByron> is anyone actually building their ASIC miner?
21:31 < LordByron> has anyone done this?
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21:45 < bsm1175321> I've built an ASIC miner which determines primes of the form x00...00y.  I feel I've made a valuable contribution to humanity.
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21:52 < LordByron> have you put together all the components on a board yourself or did you mean you just bought pre-made and worked the shell?
21:52 < LordByron> has it gotten you many btc?
21:52 < bsm1175321> I'm being extremely sarcastic...
21:52 < LordByron> ok
21:53 < LordByron> so what is the core everyone can get into -
21:53 < bsm1175321> Because what I said is a stupid idea.
21:53 < LordByron> i mean something beyond just buying asic miners and mining?
21:53 < LordByron> obviously building your asic miners is bit of reach for most people
21:53 < LordByron> so what is then the most effective way to scale?
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21:56 < bsm1175321> None of the above.  What is "scale" to you?  I think you may be in the wrong channel.
21:56 < LordByron> scaling means to me,
21:57 < LordByron> i guess buying asic miners or whichever effective miners at a cheap price
21:57 < LordByron> cheap(er)
21:57 < c0rw1n> buy a fab
21:57 < LordByron> as much as possible
21:57 < LordByron> c0rw1n what is a fab?
21:57 < c0rw1n> ASIC-fabricating factory
21:58 < bsm1175321> Definitely the wrong channel.  Try #bitcoin-profiteers, or #bitcoin-vultures
21:58 < LordByron> that is interesting
21:58 < LordByron> thank you for an interesting idea
21:58 < LordByron> and, what is this channel about then
21:58 < LordByron> if not about bitcoins?
21:58 < c0rw1n> cryptocoin research
21:58 < bsm1175321> Not welcome here.  Any moron can buy low and sell high.  This channel is about how to make bitcoin better/faster/more private/handle more transactions.
21:59 < LordByron> Thank you for calling me a moron.
21:59 < LordByron> so it's about software than actual practice.
21:59 < bsm1175321> Sorry.  It's late.
21:59 < LordByron> alright...
21:59 < bsm1175321> Yes, algorithms and techniques.
21:59 < bsm1175321> No offense.
22:00 < bsm1175321> Maybe #bitcoin or #bitcoin-pricetalk would be up your alley (seriously)
22:00 < LordByron> non taken. i am ignorant. so i am here to educate myself. thank you for the lead. i didnt know such techniques existed to improve bitcoin overall.
22:00 < LordByron> does it however help with the profiteering through mining?
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22:01 < LordByron> or perhaps, does it help exchanges with market(s) and through it, profiteering?
22:01 < bsm1175321> Yes, making bitcoin better helps with profiteering.  But the latter, as a motivation, generally does not drive algorithms or research.
22:01 < LordByron> i understand. no, this is where i would like to be. i will stop then with the questions on profiteering.
22:02 < LordByron> i was always curious about how e-currencies were created and how algorithms and machine learning can be applied to the practice.
22:02 < bsm1175321> Ask yourself: why would anyone here, interested in making bitcoin better, also be interested in earning profit for YOU?
22:03 < bsm1175321> LordByron you're welcome to hang out here and listen, but the dicussion is generally pretty esoteric.
22:03 < LordByron> nay. none would be open to help with such benefit toward myself. but some experts use their explanation as an outlet of creativity, to spark new ideas within themselves.
22:03 < LordByron> however, this would be wishful thinking.
22:04 < LordByron> now i understand the nature of this channel, i will simply listen.
22:04 < bsm1175321> We all desire a better financial system, and if we succeed, it will enrich us all.  This does not involve which mining hardware to buy today.
22:04 < LordByron> indeed
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23:25  * nsh would be happy with no financial system
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23:33 < gwillen> ]/win goto #slatestarcodex
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