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04:07 < fluffypony> http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~polakis/papers/sivakorn_eurosp16.pdf
04:07 < fluffypony> .title
04:07 < yoleaux> fluffypony: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
04:07 < fluffypony> .t
04:07 < yoleaux> Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:07:45 UTC
04:08 < fluffypony> lol
04:09 < fluffypony> "Deep Learning to Break Semantic Image CAPTCHAs"
04:10 < fluffypony> basically they use Google Translate and Google Images to break reCaptchas
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05:28 < kanzure> any last minute topics for this? https://www.w3.org/2016/04/blockchain-workshop/
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05:35 < fluffypony> "Ledger interchange formats and protocols" <- that's going to be fun
05:38 < katu_> oh great, w3c designing standards ;_;
05:38 < kanzure> "whatever it is that you do, just put it in a browser, that's definitely the right thing to do" :)
05:38 < fluffypony> "so we're settling on JSON as the interchange format, right guys?"
05:40 < kanzure> "netflix wants some DRM? sure we can find an academic reason for that..."
05:40 < kanzure> "yea i used to work on ethereum" - tadge, "maybe they need you back"
05:45 < fluffypony> lol
05:45 < kanzure> irc.w3.org #blockchain
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05:58 < maaku> kanzure: are you participating
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06:04 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/w3-blockchain-workshop-2016/intro/
06:04 < kanzure> https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/748139999623798789
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06:21 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/w3-blockchain-workshop-2016/wendy/
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06:28 < JackH> do we have any documentation explaining some potential use cases for OP_CSV/OP_CLTV beside lightning/payment channels?
06:33 < maaku> JackH: the sidechain peg uses CSV
06:34 < JackH> I thought that required additional opcodes to fully verify maaku
06:34 < maaku> yes it does
06:34 < maaku> you didn't specify current bitcoin script only ;)
06:34 < maaku> one of the many opcodes required is CSV
06:35 < JackH> the portion that wont be working is fully validating sidechain tokens on the Bitcoin blockchain right?
06:35 < JackH> its still not "aware" as far as I understand
06:36 < JackH> even with CSV
06:38 < JackH> I actually wanted to talk to you about this:
06:38 < JackH> BIP 68 and 112 (CSV) let you start the clock only when the channel is being closed out, which has two primary implications: channel close-out can be much faster (configurable, but realistically a few days in the worst case), and channels never expire. Pretty cool.
06:38 < JackH> CSV is also useful for the sidechain 2-way peg, or any other application that involves waiting for things to settle or to see if anyone can provide a fraud proof.
06:38 < JackH> (I invented CSV. Ping me if you have other questions.)
06:38 < JackH> you wrote that on reddit at some point
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06:40 < JackH> could I "bind" my op_cltv & op_csv transaction with my sidechain op_cltv & op_csv transaction to form a pegging that way? so that I "bind" tokens on the secondary layer together?
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06:42 < jl2012> JackH: buying fidelity bond with OP_CSV: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134827.0
06:43 < jl2012> petertodd did mention the idea of relative locktime on this topic. But I can't find the post
06:45 < jl2012> relative locktime is more reliable for this purpose, as it ensures that the redeem tx must be known to the public for a certain amount of time
06:46 < jl2012> a long enough CLTV is ok too
06:46 < JackH> well we have both now, so we are good
06:47 < jl2012> using CSV/CLTV is much easier than petertodd's idea in 2013
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06:50 < JackH> I just want to go away from the over exploited op_return and the counterparty way of doing things
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06:52 < maaku> JackH: i'd probably need more specific info, as I'm not sure what you mean by "bind your [mainchain] transaction with your sidechain transaction"
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06:54 < JackH> I am thinking about a previous conversation on IRC where luke questions if lightning can be build on top of lightning. With that type of layers of abstractions, I can imagine intertwining layers from multiple chains, in order to make use of Bitcoins as tokens to perform some actions required (some contract execution or a more complex function)
06:55 < JackH> binding = perform computational operations by requiring Bitcoins as part of the process
06:56 < GreenIsMyPepper> yes, it's theoretically to treat payments on LN as circuits
06:56 < GreenIsMyPepper> theoretically possible, imean
06:56 < jl2012> JackH: pathological gambler may use CLTV/CSV to securely lock their money
06:57 < JackH> now that is a service!
06:58 < JackH> but it still requires Bitcoin, as money for the gambler, which means he needs to exchange into BtC
06:58 < JackH> I want to use the secondary layers as features for computations, and for example use them as part of larger executions that for instance originate in a sidechain (just to keep the protocal layer identical)
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08:02 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/w3-blockchain-workshop-2016/arvind-narayanan/
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08:04 < GreenIsMyPepper> THANKS KANZURE <3 <3 <3
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08:27 < petertodd> jl2012: yeah, I need to do a quick writeup/standard on csv for fidelity bonds
08:28 < JackH> petertodd, it would be great if you can include general CSV potential cases
08:28 < petertodd> JackH: iirc the bip has those written up
08:28 < JackH> petertodd, I noticed a few things were mentioned yes
08:29 < JackH> I guess I keep going back to my own idea about mixing channel tx's via CSV with other scripts....ill figure it out eventually myself
08:30 < JackH> like GreenIsMyPepper pointed out
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08:56 < Chris_Stewart_5> Can you think of all consensus rules in bitcoin right now as a mathematical set R, and the set of all possible consensus rules as the mathematical set S, if we add a softfork, is that softfork increasing the cardinality of set R by one?
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08:57 < Chris_Stewart_5> and any removal of an element from set R is a hardfork?
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09:51 < maaku> Chris_Stewart_5: sure i suppose. a specific hard fork can introduce more than one rule though
09:51 < maaku> gah, specific soft fork
09:54 < Chris_Stewart_5> Seems like that is more of an implementation details rather than the abstract concept of a soft fork
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10:01 < maaku> sure
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10:08 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/w3-blockchain-workshop-2016/privacy-anonymity-and-identity-group/
10:13 < maaku> "ephemeral identity" is an oxymoron, no?
10:13 < katu_> ton of political blabbering, but no mention of zooko's triangle whatsoever :(
10:14 < kanzure> i got there late
10:14 < katu_> ah
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10:28 < fluffypony> katu_: not that it would've been mentioned, but anyway
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10:29 < katu_> i presume they just plan to obscure it under ton of consensus fluff like gnunet did
10:29 < katu_> so that people magically believe theres a way to do it w/o drawbacks of name/price speculation.
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10:49 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/w3-blockchain-workshop-2016/groups-identity/
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11:01 < kanzure> Adiabat: irc.w3.org #blockchain #blockchain-chat
11:01 < kanzure> plus we have fluffypony available for shitposting, so that's nice
11:02 < kanzure> fluffypony: everyone immediately agreed that you are splendid for this
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11:04 < fluffypony> hah hah
11:04 < fluffypony> I trye
11:04 < fluffypony> *try
11:11 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/w3-blockchain-workshop-2016/archival-science/
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12:13 < kvnn> Hello
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12:16 < kvnn> can I currently use nLockTime to create a tx w/ output1, and then create another tx w/ output1 without a time lock, in order to invalidate the first transaction?
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12:23 < kvnn> the time-locked transaction is just an "unconfirmed transaction" until the "minimal time" is reached, right?
12:25 < helo> kvnn: it's invalid, and needs to be broadcast after the time is reached
12:25 < kvnn> what if its broadcast before the time is reached?
12:25 < helo> it's treated as an invalid transaction
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12:27 < kvnn> so the answer to my first question would be "yes", right?
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12:27 < kvnn> if that first tx is broadcast after the time-lock, its still going to be invalid b/c the output was already spent
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13:13 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/w3-blockchain-workshop-2016/physical-assets/
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13:52 < kanzure> Taek: petertodd: food soon?
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14:24 < bsm117532> How's the workshop going?
14:25 < fluffypony> boring
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14:27 < bsm117532> I'd expect as much from W3C...
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18:55 < el33th4x0r> paging segwit experts for a quick question
18:56 < bsm117532> I don't claim to be an expert, but I've been banging my head against it for a few days...
18:56 < el33th4x0r> great, any help would be much appreciated. here's the question:
18:56 < phantomcircuit> el33th4x0r, sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html
18:56 < bsm117532> also, ask first on IRC  :-P
18:57 < el33th4x0r> haha, i tried reading the BIPs and this is easier. also i'm getting older and lazier!
18:57 < el33th4x0r> is it the case that, with the current soft fork implementation of segwit, that a non-Segwit-aware node is expected to ferry segwit transactions to other nodes?
18:58 < el33th4x0r> they would appear as anyone-can-spends to them.
18:58 < el33th4x0r> but i'm not sure if they (non-segwit supporting, minority nodes) are expected to be able to ferry them on the p2p layer to the segwit-supporting majority miners.
18:58 < bsm117532> el33th4x0r: As far as I understand, that is correct.
18:59 < el33th4x0r> "that is corect" -> they should be able to ferry them?
18:59 < bsm117532> correct.
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18:59 < bsm117532> AFAIK there is no reason non-upgraded nodes would/could censor segwit transactions in blocks, or in the p2p layer.
18:59 < kanzure> el33th4x0r: are you in boston
18:59 < el33th4x0r> ok, great, that's what i thought initially, but was not sure.
19:00 < kanzure> or was that a one-time thing
19:00 < el33th4x0r> @kanzure: no, boring old ithaca. are you guys licing it up at mit?
19:00 < el33th4x0r> living*
19:00 < bsm117532> But, please get a second opinion.  I've only been looking at it for a couple days.
19:00 < kanzure> yea lots of lice
19:00 < el33th4x0r> haha
19:00 < el33th4x0r> no lice or bedbugs i hope
19:00 < el33th4x0r> there was some DAO event in Boston I gather, but I'm not part of it.
19:01 < el33th4x0r> I emailed Eric Lombrozo and @gmaxwell
19:01 < phantomcircuit> el33th4x0r, nodes which are not segwit aware will not relay the segwit data
19:01 < kanzure> in general i would recommend asking on irc instead of emailing those two
19:02 < bsm117532> busy bees bee busy.
19:02 < kanzure> also #bitcoin-core-dev and #segwit-dev (although i think #segwit-dev is morally wrong)
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19:03 < bsm117532> short and sweet.  At least he could have bought us dinner?
19:03 < midnightmagic> lice is a big problem with kids fresh out of highschool. No clue how to keep themselves clean when their parents have been helicoptering for the prior 12 years.
19:03  * midnightmagic shudders
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19:05 < el33th4x0r> Sorry, back in discussion
19:06 < el33th4x0r> So, segwit xactions will not be ferried by non-supporting nodes?
19:06 < el33th4x0r> Even though they appear as anyone can spends.
19:06 < bsm117532> So el33th4x0r AFAIK the transactions will be "ferried", meaning non-upgraded nodes will have an accurate UTXO set.  However, the data to actually validate the segwit transactions is NOT ferried.
19:07 < el33th4x0r> Oooofff. That's even more complicated than I thought
19:07 < el33th4x0r> Phantom: do you agree?
19:08 < bsm117532> The segwit data is definitely not ferried.  The non-upgraded node sees a bunch of anyone-can-spends going to other anyone-can-spends.  It's valid as far as the old protocol is concerned.
19:09 < bsm117532> IMHO I would have deliberately built such a mechanism in from the beginning, if I were Satoshi.
19:09 < el33th4x0r> Upon receiving such a transaction, the segwit supporting nodes would do nothing, right? They'd have to receive it from a segwit node, with the witnesses.
19:10 < bsm117532> Please be more specific about "receiving such a transaction"?
19:10 < bsm117532> Yes they'd have to receive it from a segwit node.
19:11 < el33th4x0r> A new segwit xaction ferried by a non-segwit supporting node
19:11 < bsm117532> Perhaps this is what you're looking for? https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0144.mediawiki
19:12 < el33th4x0r> Thanks, I read that but it wasn't clear on this issue
19:12 < bsm117532> I *think* that is the p2p layer for segwit relays.
19:12 < bsm117532> Seems rather thin, I spent exactly 0.5s scrolling through it.  But then, that's not my concern at the moment.
19:14 < el33th4x0r> So for segwit to activate and be useful, we need buy in from miners, plus we need sufficient supportfrom relay nodes so xactions can find a pathto supporting miners?
19:14 < bsm117532> Ah now I see what you're getting at.
19:15 < jl2012> el33th4x04: "ferry" means "relay"?
19:15 < bsm117532> No, non-upgraded relay nodes will relay all soft-fork segwit transactions.  (AFAIK, please someone correct or second me)
19:15 < el33th4x0r> @jl2012: yes
19:16 < jl2012> old nodes do not relay unconfirmed segwit tx, as they are non-standard to them. Same principle applies to CSV, CLTV, BIP66 softforks
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19:17 < el33th4x0r> Ok, that makes sense.
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19:18 < el33th4x0r> I.e not what I initially thought, but perfectly fine this way
19:20 < el33th4x0r> Many thanks for all the help. Greatly appreciate it.
19:22 < jl2012> for CSV vs. segwit, there is no difference in terms of tx relay. But block relay indeed has a difference
19:22 < jl2012> because unupgraded nodes cannot relay witness
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19:24 < jl2012> blocks could be relayed without any problem as   new<--> new, old<--> old, new --> old; but not old --> new
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19:25 < el33th4x0r> So an old node would never even encounter a segwit TX until it is encased in a block, right?
19:26 < el33th4x0r> At which time, it looks like an anyone can spend
19:26 < jl2012> yes, they will just ignore all unconfirmed segwit tx
19:26 < el33th4x0r> Great. Much appreciate the clarity.
19:26 < jl2012> same for unconfirmed CSV tx
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19:27 < jl2012> actually segwit softfork is similar in some way as the P2SH BIP16 softfork
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19:28 < jl2012> for old nodes, segwit and P2SH both look like unsigned tx
19:28 < jl2012> i.e. any-one-can-spend
19:30 < jl2012> especially for the segwit-in-P2SH mode. It's property is very similar to the original P2SH softfok
19:30 < jl2012> i.e. the tx is not anyone-can-spend, until it is actually spent
19:31 < el33th4x0r> So it would be foolhardy to send a segwit TX before the soft fork had activated?
19:31 < el33th4x0r> Because the non-sw miners can include it as an anyone can spend.
19:31 < jl2012> bitcoind does not allow you to do so by default, for obvious reason
19:32 < jl2012> so, only if you do it manually
19:32 < el33th4x0r> Ok, that makes sense. It's be dumb to do so.
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19:33 < jl2012> and even if you do it manually, you can't get the witness data recorded to the blockchain, even for upgraded nodes
19:33 < el33th4x0r> Right.
19:36 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/YourPaperSucks/status/532976417366372352
19:36 < yoleaux> “I am afraid this manuscript may contribute not so much towards the field’s advancement as much as toward its eventual demise.” (@YourPaperSucks)
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23:54 < fluffypony> https://hashcat.net/forum/thread-5559.html <- oclHashCat and HashCat are now merged
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