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04:21 < barubaru> Is there something that i can read about how to avoid central server and full sync of blockchain and still being able to prevent double spending?
04:28 < barubaru> Or in other words: is there a way to make a system where not a single node has full information but double spendings are prevented?
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05:57 < bsm1175321> Not yet.  Some of us are working on that.
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08:01  * nsh frowns
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08:09 < nsh> can you even do mining without a roughly total state?
08:09 < nsh> maybe rolling blocks in the way we do coinjoin tx's
08:09 < nsh> but sounds like an orchestration nightmare
08:10 < nsh> i think there's some distributed systems inescapableness here which requires some kinda compromise of economic hack again
08:10 < nsh> *or
08:13 < bsm117532> nsh: You need to attach unspent-proofs to the transaction itself in order to mine.  So two easter bunnies required: utxo set commitments and a mechanism to shard and collect proofs.
08:15 < bsm117532> But, if you don't have the whole UTXO set you're at a (slight) disadvantage with respect to a miner who does, because if you don't have to go poll your peers for proofs, you can start mining on a new txn earlier.
08:15 < nsh> right
08:16 < bsm117532> This is basically the way Zcash works (without the sharding bit)
08:16 < bsm117532> The spender is responsible for creating these proofs...
08:17 < bsm117532> In a sharded scenario, I don't see a problem with the spender being required to gather the proofs before broadcasting his txn to be mined...
08:21 < nsh> it would facilitate correlation and denial of service, but it's not too pathological
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08:22 < bsm117532> Hahaaaaa can you elaborate?  I'm not sure what you mean?
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08:37 < nsh> well, if you track enough proof solicitation requests it might assist in deanonymisation. and if you frustrate them [by partitioning] then spending is denied
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08:50 < bsm117532> De-anonymizing of IP's?  Because the txn/proofs by themselves don't add any information that isn't already in the transaction graph.
08:50 < bsm117532> I kind of envision that service/wallet providers would perform this service, in general, not people's individual wallets.
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09:32  * nsh nods
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13:39 < JackH> does anyone know the economics of Ethereum in terms of: how much does it cost to fill 1MB in the blockchain?
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13:49 < JackH> !topic
13:49 < gribble> This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja
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