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00:21 < btcdrak> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/16/researchers_crack_homomorphic_encryption
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00:23 < NewLiberty> Homomorphic always seemed like a trick with no pony.
00:32 < NewLiberty> I could see how it could be useful for oracles, for zero knowledge multiparty computations, but there's no implementations.  Now maybe there won't be.
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00:33 < NewLiberty> Or at least need a new scheme for it,
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07:57 < bsm117532> btcdrak: any thoughts on whether this has any bearing on to more common homomorphisms of exponentiation and elliptic curve point addition?
07:57 < bsm117532> Those guys invented a new, and weird homomorphic encryption algorithm.
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08:51 < maaku> Nothing in that article suggests an attack on homomorphic encryption itself, just the specific protocol.
08:51 < maaku> I need to see the paper though.
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10:32 < kanzure> "Signature Link Relation for Cryptographic Resource Verification" https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-palmer-signature-link-relation-00.txt
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10:46 < maaku> having read the paper it seems to defeat the specific homomorphic encryption scheme proposed by Zhou and Wornell in 2014
10:47 < maaku> I have no idea how widely used that scheme is however.
10:47 < maaku> It doesn't appear to be a weakness of pairing generally, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. Thoughts from andytoshi or gmaxwell would be appreciated
10:49 < maaku> bsm117532: this seems more relevant https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1027
10:51 < andytoshi> the zhou/wornell scheme is not pairing-based but works by multiplying vectors by secret matrices with noise
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10:54 < andytoshi> there are a lot of "this could be used for cloud" advertisements and tons of magic numbers in the original paper, i can't tell what security it's actually claiming
10:55 < proslogion> yeah, but it's the sort of crypto paper people like me like to read :)
10:55 < andytoshi> but it is not too surprising to see it's broken (i think the authors would even agree, given that it appears they took a ring-LWE encryption scheme with a statistical security proof, extended it from binary to arbitrary ring vectors, and dropped the proof..)
10:56 < bsm117532> maaku: Interesting...so they're using prime generating polynomials like n^2+n+41 (Euler) to optimize?  I've been wondering if anyone was doing that, it only makes sense...
10:58 < andytoshi> ...and it has absolutely nothing at all to do with EC point addition or pedersen commitments
10:58 < proslogion> of coz....
10:59 < proslogion> i kinda wonder how did anyone who doesn't understand the difference between run of the mill HE and FHE hit upon that article...
11:01 < waxwing> it was posted in theregister. surprised the headline didn't say "boffins crack encryption!" or something.
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17:06 < kanzure> "Entropy Loss and Output Predictability in the Libgcrypt PRNG" http://formal.iti.kit.edu/~klebanov/pubs/libgcrypt-cve-2016-6313.pdf
17:06 < kanzure> https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2016q3/000395.html
17:07 < kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12314712
17:07 < kanzure> (above is re: CVE-2016-6313)
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18:47 < Taek> sipa, andytoshi: do you have any good resources for learning probability?
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18:51 < kanzure> i believe the typical procedure is "first you must strip in front of the bayesian ringleader and pledge your loyalty to volitional friendliness"
18:53 < kanzure> ( http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=13156 ) (but really, don't click)
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19:08 < cjd> there's probability, risk management and statistics which overlap but are not the same
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19:22 < andytoshi> Taek: i have a book by rosenthal that i really like, if you know measure theory first
19:23 < andytoshi> also the first chapter or two of that E T Jaynes book that eliezer yudkowsky likes, where he shows that you can derive the laws of probability from intuitive properties of "how confident am i that X will happen"
19:24 < andytoshi> (but then put the book down, he starts rambling about how he doesn't believe in infinity then proceeds to spend hundreds of pages deriving things in a completely handicapped way so that he can avoid ever using infinities)
19:25 < andytoshi> Taek: http://probability.ca/jeff/grprobbook.html is the rosethal book, if you think it looks good i can bring it to scaling bitcoin milan and lend it to you indefinitely
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19:50 < cjd> there is no such thing as indefinitely
19:51 < Taek> hehe there might be an exception when I'm borrowing something
19:51 < Taek> (jk)
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19:52 < Taek> andytoshi: I think I would appreciate having it
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19:56 < andytoshi> cjd: i mean i'm going to give it to him but at some point in the far future act as though i have a right to demand it back :P
19:57 < cjd> Inifinity... no such thing
19:57 < cjd> ;)
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23:33 < Taek> An Overview of BGP Hijacking: https://www.bishopfox.com/blog/2015/08/an-overview-of-bgp-hijacking/
23:34 < Taek> BGP Hijacking for Cryptocurrency Profit: https://www.secureworks.com/research/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit
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23:35 < Taek> An estimated $80,000 stolen in 2014 by performing BGP prefix hijacking to redirect traffic intended for a mining pool to a malicious server
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