--- Log opened Sat Aug 20 00:00:30 2016 00:02 -!- [d__d] [~d__d]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:03 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:04 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-111-200.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:06 -!- draynium [~d@45.63.97.181] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:07 -!- isis [~isis@abulafia.patternsinthevoid.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:10 -!- Tenhi_ is now known as Tenhi 00:17 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz…] 00:25 -!- MoALTz [~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:32 -!- mountaingoat [~mountaing@unaffiliated/mountaingoat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:32 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:45 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtwzrutnsyhqqrfe] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:00 < ThomasV> NicolasDorier: I found this old post where you mention identicons 01:00 < ThomasV> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965957.0;all 01:00 < ThomasV> I'm thinking about creating an identicon for each wallet, from its xpub 01:01 < ThomasV> this in order to mitigate the dumb attack where a users wallet is replaced by the attackers walet 01:02 <@gmaxwell> won't attackers just upgrade and do a tiny amount of search to produce a 'close enough' identicon? 01:02 <@gmaxwell> (I believe this was demonstrated for the ssh picture thing) 01:03 <@gmaxwell> (or I suppose replace the identicon too) 01:03 < ThomasV> gmaxwell: generated when the wallet is opened 01:04 < ThomasV> but yes, they could try to produce a close enough one, if they have access to the victim's computer long enough 01:05 < ThomasV> the "replace your victim's wallet" attack does not require any skill at the moment 01:05 < ThomasV> it might be worth making it harder 01:06 < ThomasV> gmaxwell: another way to deal with it would be to request password on startup, *without* encrypting the wallet 01:09 <@gmaxwell> oh wow, you mean a _really_ dumb attack. Although you said it clearly I was still thinking of "replace addresses in clippboards or displayed on websites" 01:10 <@gmaxwell> maybe the identicon might work there, but I fear that kind of attack is just so easily upgraded. 01:10 <@gmaxwell> e.g. replace the wallet software with one that shows the old image. 01:11 < ThomasV> gmaxwell: it seems to be the #1 attack on electrum wallets at the moment. low hanging fruit. 01:12 < ThomasV> attacks on software have yet to be confirmed 01:13 < phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, the ssh picture thing is indeed super easy to brute force 01:13 < phantomcircuit> something that looks verrrry similar 01:20 -!- gwollon is now known as gwillen 01:31 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:38 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-188-174-67-180.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:52 -!- markus-k [~markus-k@p4FCCD318.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:53 < waxwing> talking of identicons, i always thought it would be an interesting idea to develop a graphical representation of hash fn outputs, such that somehow the symmetry and therefore beauty of the image increases with embedded PoW 02:02 -!- Lysanders [~Lysanders@unaffiliated/lysanders] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:05 -!- Lysander1 [~Lysanders@unaffiliated/lysanders] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:08 -!- Lysander1 [~Lysanders@unaffiliated/lysanders] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:09 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:11 -!- Lysanders [~Lysanders@unaffiliated/lysanders] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:13 -!- Lysander1 [~Lysanders@unaffiliated/lysanders] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:35 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:59 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:08 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:37 -!- proslogion [~proslogio@2.217.2.220] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:42 -!- neoPixel [~neoPixel@c-76-127-248-223.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:45 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:02 -!- neoPixel [~neoPixel@c-76-127-248-223.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bai!] 04:02 -!- thesnark [~mike@unaffiliated/thesnark] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:09 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:09 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 04:15 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:09 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:25 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:35 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtwzrutnsyhqqrfe] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:58 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sydnybhxdepgidxw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:10 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:14 < Taek> phantomcircuit, gmaxwell: do you have a link to the ssh picture thing? 06:14 < Taek> I've thought a picture might help with key identification for a while too 06:14 < Taek> your ability to find features in a picture is a lot better than your abilities to find an out-of-place word in a set of 15 06:15 < Taek> I was thinking more in the context of anti-evil-maid boot though, where it's more realistic that the attacker hasn't seen the original picture 06:23 -!- grubles_ [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:24 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:26 -!- grubles_ is now known as grubles 06:29 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:29 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@mn-71-51-159-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:41 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:51 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:24 -!- asynk [~aknix@65.78.54.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25 -!- asynk [~aknix@65.78.54.2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:00 -!- K1773R [~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r] has quit [Quit: /dev/null] 08:15 -!- r0ach [~r0ach@107-217-214-192.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 08:27 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:27 -!- sneak [~sneak@unaffiliated/sneak] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:30 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:31 -!- sneak [~sneak@2a01:4f8:151:84cb:d0cc:242:61a6:bf0d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:31 -!- sneak is now known as Guest10386 08:34 -!- Pr0t3us [~Pr0t3us@unaffiliated/pr0t3us] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:35 -!- Davasny [~quassel@78-11-193-195.static.ip.netia.com.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:35 < Pr0t3us> WARNING: Poloniex is stealing deposits selectively. DO NOT deposit coins on Poloniex and if you have also had coins stolen from Poloniex.com please PM me. 08:45 -!- Pr0t3us [~Pr0t3us@unaffiliated/pr0t3us] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:54 -!- zooko [~user@73.95.139.71] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:55 -!- InsidiousPoet [~Insidious@unaffiliated/insidiouspoet] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:02 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:04 -!- zooko` [~user@2601:281:8500:fc65:f0a:33e8:fd71:e637] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:05 -!- zooko [~user@73.95.139.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:06 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Could be of a picnic. 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