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format my home directory, i did change my password though. will i be able to retrieve themm 01:52 -!- bildramer1 [~bildramer@2001:0:5ef5:79fd:3835:3646:b019:bd1d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:53 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@2001:0:9d38:6ab8:99:1fda:b019:bd1d] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:53 -!- bildramer1 is now known as bildramer 01:54 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kjqsbjpsbqjgojoz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:00 -!- JackH [~Jack@79-73-189-132.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:11 < fluffypony> eggcoin: #bitcoin 02:26 -!- optimator [~optimator@unaffiliated/optimator] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:27 -!- optimator_ [~optimator@unaffiliated/optimator] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:31 -!- eggcoin [~user@client-66-116-3-61.consolidated.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:43 -!- isis is now known as isis_ 03:01 < fluffypony> moli: I also thought that for a 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Leaving.] 06:22 < kanzure> bsm1175321: see the following, 06:22 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4vub3y/mimblewimble_noninteractive_coinjoin_and_better/ 06:22 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4woyc0/mimblewimble_interview_with_andrew_poelstra_and/ 06:22 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4xge51/mimblewimble_how_a_strippeddown_version_of/ 06:22 < kanzure> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4y4ezm/mimblewimble_how_a_strippeddown_version_of/ 06:22 < bsm1175321> Thanks! I looked for code and didn't see any on github. I'm thinking of taking a stab at it. 06:23 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2016-08-02.log 06:23 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2016-08-03.log 06:25 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 06:26 < bsm1175321> @kanzure I've read all of those. I'm wondering if anyone has plans to make a testnet or something of that sort. 06:26 < kanzure> amiller: re: your link, see these two: 06:26 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/P2P%20mixing%20and%20unlinkable%20p2p%20transactions%20-%20Anonymity%20of%20the%20people,%20by%20the%20people,%20and%20for%20the%20people%20-%202016.pdf 06:26 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/P2P%20mixing%20and%20unlinkable%20p2p%20transactions%20-%20Scalable%20strong%20anonymity%20without%20external%20routers%20-%20coinshuffle++%20-%202016.pdf 06:26 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/coinshuffle_code.tar.gz 06:27 < kanzure> bsm1175321: andytoshi has been working on some of the math and i think he'll be giving a presentation at scalingbitcoin.org in a few weeks, although i don't know about his plans for an implementation 06:27 < bsm1175321> Scaling Bitcoin sold out. :-( I might not be going... 06:28 < kanzure> physical attendance might not be necessary 06:28 < sipa> bsm1175321: send in a proposal, i'm sure there are tickets for speakers 06:28 < kanzure> yes, more proposals are needed 06:29 < kanzure> in fact, please send two 06:29 < kanzure> or more 06:30 < kanzure> send 1<=x<=3 sentences to proposals@scalingbitcoin.org 06:35 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:39 < bsm1175321> Heh Ok! 06:39 -!- thokon00 [~thokon00@unaffiliated/thokon00] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:40 < bsm1175321> I've got the consensus rules worked out for braids, and adding a simple transaction system would be next for a testnet. Braided Mimblewimble seems like a good testnet idea and I think I can do it in less than a month. 06:40 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:43 -!- GAit [~GAit@2-230-161-158.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:44 -!- GAit [~GAit@2-230-161-158.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Client Quit] 06:44 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@2001:0:5ef5:79fd:3835:3646:b019:bd1d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:47 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@2001:0:5ef5:79fd:3835:3646:b019:bd1d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:57 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:00 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:05 -!- thokon00 [~thokon00@unaffiliated/thokon00] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 07:16 -!- isis is now known as isis_ 07:22 -!- Guyver2_ [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:25 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:25 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:25 -!- Guyver2_ is now known as Guyver2 07:30 -!- whphhg [~whphhg@unaffiliated/whphhg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:30 -!- whphhg [~whphhg@unaffiliated/whphhg] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:31 -!- MoALTz [~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:36 -!- isis_ is now known as isis 07:38 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.234.120] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:39 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.234.120] has quit [Client Quit] 07:43 -!- Samdney [~Samdney@dyn-ant666999.hawo.ipv6.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:03 -!- BonyM1 [~BonyM-I@ua-83-227-211-4.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:09 -!- Guyver2_ [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:10 -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@38.121.165.30] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:11 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:12 -!- Guyver2_ is now known as Guyver2 08:13 < andytoshi> bsm1175321: i'm also screwing around with MW consensus rules, but i don't have anything on github because it's still at the "rewrite half the code every other day" stage of development 08:13 < andytoshi> but i have some agressive scaling ideas that i don't think will be compatible with braids 08:14 < bsm117532> andytoshi: I hear you. 08:14 < bsm117532> Well I'm looking at making a toy testnet by the time of Scaling in Milan, and I need to add a transaction system... 08:14 < bsm117532> andytoshi: what aggressive scaling ideas? I'm also considering ways to shard the UTXO set...which has nothing to do with braids but I might include anyway... 08:17 < andytoshi> ok, we can cooperate on doing a transaction system, all i had been planning to do was copy the bitcoin transaction graph onto a MW chain 08:18 < andytoshi> a testnet would involve p2p code and stuff, that's a whole nother thing.. 08:18 < bsm117532> I've long had an idea involving UTXO set commitments -- when the UTXO set is shareded, miners require proofs that an output is unspent in order to mine a transaction involving part of the UTXO set they're not holding. Unfortunately the best I can come up with is log(n) sized proofs. But I'm thinking of implementing it anyway. 08:18 < andytoshi> how can you make miners require proofs? how do normal validators get these proofs? 08:18 < bsm117532> andytoshi: I want to make the simplest toy testnet I can. My code is all in python. 08:19 -!- BonyM1 [~BonyM-I@ua-83-227-211-4.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:20 < bsm117532> andytoshi: Each node would need to be connected to enough other nodes to cover the entire UTXO space, and would request proofs from its peers. tit-for-tat proof requests would ensure peers were cooperating and actually holding the parts of the UTXO set they claim to be. 08:20 < andytoshi> oh...i am writing a self-contained C library designed to do nothing but consensus-critical things 08:20 < andytoshi> i think there's almost no overlap between what we're doing :) 08:21 < bsm117532> andytoshi: Yes, that's why I think it may be interesting to include a Mimblewimble tx system in braids. ;-) 08:23 -!- murch [~murch@p4FE38ACA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:25 -!- jannes_ [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:25 < bsm117532> (with or without sharding...) 08:25 -!- jannes_ [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 08:25 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:26 < andytoshi> so i'm rereading the braid slides from scaling bitcoin .. it says that multiple parents can have the same txes, as long as they don't conflict 08:26 < andytoshi> but in MW each block only has one tx 08:26 < andytoshi> so the parents will either be identical or they'll conflict 08:28 < bsm117532> As long as parents spend a disjoint subset of the UTXO set, it's fine no? 08:28 < bsm117532> I see your point though. It seems that aspect would need to be changed. 08:29 < bsm117532> MW has no way to tell a duplicate transaction from a double-spend, once they're aggregated the info is lost... 08:30 < andytoshi> yes. so i think this works only if orphans are somehow disjoint from the blocks that orphan them 08:31 < instagibbs> the small MW blocks would reduce the amount of mixing you get 08:31 < bsm117532> Two such blocks, in a braid, would be "compatible" and could be "siblings" (forming a diamond graph) 08:32 < andytoshi> yes, i know how braids work, i just don't see how this would ever happen 08:32 < bsm117532> instagibbs: I think you mean the smaller/faster beads in a braid would reduce the amount of mixing? Yes it would. If you want a slow tx system it's easy to artificially slow down to achieve better privacy. 08:32 < andytoshi> in absense of some sort of partition attack 08:32 < instagibbs> bsm117532, or you could simply aggregate longer before releasing your transaction, but then mining orphans would go up naturally 08:32 < bsm117532> andytoshi: one major advantage is that braids can merge network partitions. Doesn't have to be an attack. 08:33 < sipa> bsm1175321: unless anyone tries to exploit the partition to do a double spend 08:33 < bsm117532> Hmm I see I'm going to have to think harder about the double-spend case with MW... 08:33 < sipa> then you two sides become irreconsilable 08:33 < bsm117532> sipa: yep 08:33 < sipa> i don't think you're actually solving anything, in that case 08:34 < bsm117532> Well, poop. 08:39 -!- mdavid613 [~Adium@cpe-172-251-161-231.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:39 < bsm117532> This notion of allowing duplicate transactions comes from the idea that Bitcoin's p2p layer would be retained and used. A simpler toy testnet could have NO p2p layer. 08:39 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:44 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:47 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:47 -!- kyletorpey [~kyle@pool-173-53-94-96.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:48 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:49 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:50 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:54 -!- cjcj [2e3b026a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.59.2.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:55 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:58 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:00 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Read error: Connection reset 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You can't accomulate 1000 seconds of CDMA data to decode your bit because the paths are not stable over those kinds of timeframes; in fact, unless all the communicating parties have pret 22:19 <@gmaxwell> ty good atomic clocks, their _oscillators_ aren't stable enough over that kind of timeframe to usefully decode the signal. 22:20 < qpm> tx: (of course, yes, I realize that it probably makes more sense to have Namecoin be a sidechain and MW be another sidechain, or something like that) 22:20 -!- rusty2 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:20 < kanzure> gmaxwell: context http://gnusha.org/logs/2016-08-31.log near 21:43 22:22 <@gmaxwell> kanzure: fwiw, people doing low power communications is a standard ham challenge, search string: QRP. And what you find is that the lower the power the more insane the hardware and DSP becomes, not simple 'steampunk' things like the writeup suggests. :) 22:23 -!- bildramer1 [~bildramer@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:3c29:b11:b019:bd1d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:23 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:3c29:b11:b019:bd1d] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:23 -!- bildramer1 is now known as bildramer 22:27 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:30 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:32 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:306:b8e0:8160:b8e2:1c9c:fe32:8ba2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:33 <@gmaxwell> (for a comparison point, the highest cohearent integration time I've seen reported for GPS -- kind of a perfect case example, since the sats are straight up and the troposphere is slowly changing-- is two seconds, and except for one academic paper using an exotic ultrastable oscillator (a $10k part with a one year lead time) got 30 seconds, but I dunno if that was even reproducable. Typical integ 22:34 <@gmaxwell> ration times for high end GPS hardware are more like 20-40ms) 22:48 -!- DOugieBot5000 is now known as DougieBot5000 22:53 -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:55 -!- bildramer1 [~bildramer@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:3c29:b11:b019:bd1d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:57 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@2001:0:5ef5:79fb:3c29:b11:b019:bd1d] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:07 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:10 -!- vdo [~vdo1138@unaffiliated/vdo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:12 < so> 18:19 < sipa> ultraprune is just the name of the database/storage design in bitcoin core since 0.8 23:12 < so> 18:20 < sipa> it's not a commitment scheme 23:19 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:21 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-htrpbyyrilsafkac] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:21 -!- qpm [~qpm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic/bot/qpm] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:21 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@100.15.118.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:21 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:21 -!- a5m0 [~a5m0@unaffiliated/a5m0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21 -!- maaku_ [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21 -!- qpm` [~qpm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic/bot/qpm] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:21 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-118-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:21 -!- lmatteis_ [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxqwezuvwvmeirsr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:22 -!- mn3monic [~guido@unaffiliated/mn3monic] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:22 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:22 -!- a5m0 [~a5m0@unaffiliated/a5m0] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:26 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:306:b8e0:8160:b8e2:1c9c:fe32:8ba2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:26 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:28 -!- MoALTz [~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:36 -!- bildramer1 is now known as bildramer 23:47 < nsh> tl;dr on TumbleBit? 23:49 < nsh> freenet for transactions i guess 23:50 < nsh> -- 23:50 < nsh> Description: TumbleBit is a new anonymous payments protocol that is fully compatible with today’s Bitcoin protocol. TumbleBit allows parties to make payments through an untrusted Tumbler. No-one, not even the Tumbler, can tell which payer paid which payee during a TumbleBit epoch. TumbleBit consists of two interleaved fair-exchange protocols that prevent theft of bitcoins by cheating users or a ma 23:50 < nsh> licious Tumbler. TumbleBit combines fast cryptographic computations (performed off the blockchain) with standard bitcoin scripting functionalities (on the blockchain) that realize smart contracts. TumbleBit was used to mix 800 input addresses to 800 output addresses on Bitcoin's blockchain. 23:50 < nsh> -- 23:50 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:52 < nsh> (fair exchange protocols are not without gotchas: http://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/schmat.pdf ) 23:52 <@gmaxwell> nsh: it's like a coinswap, but with the swapping parties not being able to connect their transactions. 23:52 -!- mdavid613 [~Adium@cpe-172-251-161-231.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:52 -!- mdavid613 [~Adium@cpe-172-251-161-231.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:52 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:58 * nsh nods 23:59 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Thu Sep 01 00:00:14 2016