--- Log opened Thu Sep 22 00:00:01 2016 00:05 -!- rubensayshi [~ruben@82.201.93.169] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:20 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@h88-150-224-74.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:22 -!- gielbier [~gielbier@unaffiliated/gielbier] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:24 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@h5-152-213-186.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:32 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@145.15.244.31] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:33 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@145.15.244.31] has quit [Changing host] 00:33 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:34 -!- gielbier [~gielbier@2001:981:9573:1:a925:5fce:6a14:4fbc] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:35 -!- gielbier [~gielbier@2001:981:9573:1:a925:5fce:6a14:4fbc] has quit [Changing host] 00:35 -!- gielbier [~gielbier@unaffiliated/gielbier] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:41 < andytoshi> sipa: the basis for fiat-shamir is that you can change an interactive scheme into an RO one 00:41 < andytoshi> that RO is secure in real life is an empirical matter 00:41 < andytoshi> cf "random oracles are practical" 00:42 -!- murch [~murch@p4FE3B008.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48 -!- skang404 [~user@27.6.192.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:51 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.234.190] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:52 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.234.190] has quit [Client Quit] 01:01 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:15 -!- Yogh [~Yogh@f36186.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:16 -!- Yogh [~Yogh@f36186.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:30 -!- DigiByteDev [~JT2@185.29.164.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:47 < nsh> (the transform itself provably secure given RO-assumption however) 01:53 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:57 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@h5-152-213-186.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:57 -!- Topogetcyrpto_ [~Topogetcy@h88-150-224-74.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:06 -!- CryptoAi is now known as CryptoTraderClub 02:08 < CryptoTraderClub> Looking for coin fundamental analysts. Can you make good calls on crypto coins ? 02:08 < CryptoTraderClub> https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/53y24x/looking_for_coin_fundamental_analysts_can_you/ 02:09 < fluffypony> CryptoTraderClub: no. 02:10 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:39 < nsh> (we don't discuss trading here) 02:40 -!- nikivi [~nikivi@dhcp-077-250-172-150.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:50 -!- DigiByteDev [~JT2@185.29.164.30] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:53 -!- DigiByteDev [~JT2@185.29.164.30] has quit [Client Quit] 02:57 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:11 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20 -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 03:22 -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:23 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:31 -!- 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participants), Bitcoin can collapse into CT and the need for both mining and the storage of the blockchain disappears." 07:13 < sipa> CT? 07:13 < kanzure> certificate transparency 07:13 < sipa> ah 07:14 < kanzure> sort of a weird way to go about getting that result ("hey trusted systems can be more trusty!") but w/e... 07:20 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:306:b8e0:8160:55f:8647:4c5c:142f] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:21 -!- xissburg_ is now known as xissburg 07:28 < wumpus> they're right, if you remove the aspect of trustlessness, there is no point in doing mining and verification of the entire blockchain 07:28 < wumpus> but that's the catch isn't it... 07:30 < sipa> well there are degrees 07:30 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:306:b8e0:8160:d521:2ddf:53d4:a473] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:31 < sipa> if you have the ability to synchronize occasionally, you can distinguish between trust to not produce two versions of history, but not trust them not to authorize thefts 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Lots. I could go on and on and on. #bitcoin is probably better for that question. 09:29 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:30 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@88.128.80.65] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:31 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@88.128.80.65] has quit [Changing host] 09:31 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:32 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:34 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:34 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:34 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07 -!- nikivi [~nikivi@dhcp-077-250-172-150.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:10 -!- nickler [~nickler@185.12.46.130] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:11 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@mbp.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:13 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:18 -!- r0ach [~r0ach@107-217-214-192.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 10:26 -!- jtimon [~quassel@150.110.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:29 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:32 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@mbp.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:35 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:39 < Taek> Chris_Stewart_5: probably too early for that, the theory behind it is still advacing pretty rapidly 10:45 -!- edvorg [~edvorg@14.169.26.54] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:46 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@137.110.92.143] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:49 -!- edvorg [~edvorg@14.169.26.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51 < Chris_Stewart_5> Taek: Seems like it would be a good testing ground. Any way just thought i'd ask if anyone is actively working on it in code 10:52 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:54 < bsm117532> Anyone know where mimblewimble discussion is occurring? There's been precious little here since August. 10:55 -!- edvorg [~edvorg@14.169.26.54] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:58 -!- e0_ [~e0@cs10-dhcp164.bu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:59 -!- jtimon [~quassel@150.110.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:59 < instagibbs> anything public is likely here 11:01 -!- MoALTz [~no@78-11-247-26.static.ip.netia.com.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:02 -!- r0ach [~r0ach@107-217-214-192.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:12 < Chris_Stewart_5> Hopefully with segwit getting closer to deployment we can see things like that explored more 11:13 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@137.110.92.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15 < sipa> i don't think segwit helps for mimblewimble :) 11:20 < instagibbs> first, we don't hash the witness, next we throw away script! 11:21 < Chris_Stewart_5> sipa: but segwit does distract people like you from thinking/working on things like mimble wimble :-) 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#bitcoin-wizards 19:15 -!- cyphase_eviltwin [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:19 -!- cyphase_eviltwin [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:28 -!- xinxi [~xinxi@116.86.38.246] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:28 -!- cyphase_eviltwin [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:29 < xinxi> Hi guys, because of SegWit, confidential transactions' huge proofs will not be counted as the block size, right? 19:32 < sipa> are you talking about bitcoin? 19:33 < sipa> there is no straightforward way to include CT inside segwit as currently designed, as the CT range proofs are per output, not per input 19:33 -!- cyphase_eviltwin [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:33 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@4.16.24.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:34 < sipa> so it would likely need at least another extra optional data field in transactions (in addition to segwit's script witnesses), for which accounting rules can be chosen independently 19:36 -!- cyphase_eviltwin [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:36 -!- cyphase_eviltwin [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:36 < sipa> the only system with CT deployed is elements alpha, and though it indeed treats the CT range peoofs as witbess data, it doesn't do any discounting 19:37 < sipa> *witness 19:37 -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:43 < xinxi> Yeah, I am talking about Bitcoin. 19:44 < xinxi> So SegWit shifts only input proofs into the witness segment? 19:44 < xinxi> Is it possible to modify SegWit a bit to shift output proofs as well? 19:45 < sipa> bitcoin doesn't have output proofs 19:45 < sipa> there is nothing to move 19:45 < xinxi> That's true. 19:46 < sipa> if you're designing a new system, absolutely 19:46 < xinxi> Can we create another transaction type to include output proofs? 19:46 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@mbp.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:46 < xinxi> I found this email very interesting. https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-January/012194.html 19:46 < xinxi> Is it possible? 19:46 < sipa> yes, the same technique that segwit used to create an optional segment in transactions could be reused for the range proofs 19:47 < sipa> but the discount argument doesn't apply 19:48 < xinxi> Why? 19:48 < sipa> for a new segment any accounting rule can be chosen 19:48 < sipa> there is no reason why it should follow the same x0.25 as the script witnesses in segwit 19:49 < xinxi> Got it. 19:49 -!- cyphase_eviltwin [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:50 < xinxi> So everything in the witness part now gets 75% discount when the size is calculated. 19:50 < sipa> implicitly, you could say that there is an unlimited amount of optional segment space available in each transaction... but its cost is currebtly zero (and we also don't inspect it for validation) 19:50 < xinxi> Now new segments can be discounted at other rates. 19:51 < sipa> or not counted at all 19:51 < sipa> or counted at a premium 19:51 < sipa> or counted quadratically 19:51 < sipa> or required to be a prime number in size 19:51 < xinxi> That's a lot of fun. 19:51 < sipa> just not negative 19:51 < xinxi> How do you guys decide 0.25? 19:52 < sipa> a balance between block propagation impact and utxo growth impact 19:53 < sipa> the 0.25 factor was proposed because it makes inputs significantly cheaper (relative to outputs; from a factor 4 to a factor 2 approximately) 19:54 < sipa> while not dramatically making blocks larger on the wire 19:54 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:54 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:55 < xinxi> Beside disk space, another other resource that the witness part will occupy? 19:55 < sipa> cpu 19:55 < sipa> it allows more signature checks per block 19:55 < sipa> and bandwidth, it allows larger blocks 19:56 < sipa> and disk i/o, as it allows more utxos per block to be spent and created 19:56 < xinxi> These seem not big problems to most users. 19:56 < sipa> cpu is pretty relevant 19:57 < sipa> as deteemines how fast blocks can be relayed 19:57 < xinxi> Really, I run a bitcoind on my server, it does not use much cpu. 19:57 < sipa> it's only in spikes 19:57 < xinxi> Got it. 19:58 < sipa> bandwidth is partially mitigated using bip 152 19:58 -!- moa [~kiwigb@150.242.131.38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:59 -!- moa [~kiwigb@150.242.131.38] has quit [Changing host] 19:59 -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:00 < xinxi> Nice. 20:01 < xinxi> sipa: thank you for answering all these questions. I found you are particularly helpful :-D 20:01 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:05 < qpm> tx: xinxi: seconded, both for sipa and all the other Blockstream people. Every time I talk to someone from Blockstream I walk away feeling smarter -- they're an excellent bunch 20:06 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:06 < xinxi> qpm: nice. 20:14 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:14 < kanzure> i have some log archives to share 20:14 -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@188.251.154.34] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:14 < kanzure> 4f267942ab180c218c576bc8b43d7615ab870e065b2e49927cccfcccf1d6c9e3 http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/archives/bitcoin-wizards-logs-2016-09-22.tar.gz 20:14 < kanzure> d8b1cbb453d9e69bc015878bad844a0194d74f134c6ccaf9d5fb2df1c211ad59 http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/archives/bitcoin-wizards-logs-html-2016-09-22.tar.gz 20:15 < kanzure> also, html logs (with permalinks and anchorlinks for each message) are now available at http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/html/ 20:16 < kanzure> if you make a backup then please consider also grabbing this one: 20:16 < kanzure> 727717084b1b520902c0afc19c6d2c4f7bca0334bf4e5bf7af1557102087bb38 http://gnusha.org/logs/archives/hplusroadmap-2016-09-18.tar.gz 20:16 < kanzure> (it's unrelated; figure it wouldn't hurt to ask since i'm doing the same for -wizards logs anyway.) 20:19 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:19 -!- davec [~davec@cpe-24-243-251-52.hot.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19 -!- davec [~davec@cpe-24-243-251-52.hot.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:22 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:34 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:38 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:43 -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@188.251.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:52 -!- xinxi [~xinxi@116.86.38.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:56 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:00 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:01 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:07 -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:09 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:11 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:14 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:17 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@mbp.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:21 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:21 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:22 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@mbp.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:24 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:27 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@mbp.dynamic.ucsd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:28 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:35 -!- snthsnth [~snthsnth@137.110.42.119] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:50 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:55 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:01 < amiller> i made these notes for my class maybe y'all will like them http://soc1024.ece.illinois.edu/teaching/ece598am/fall2016/zkproofs.pdf 22:01 < amiller> it's on zk proofs, goes up through schnorr signatures 22:12 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:17 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:18 -!- jtimon [~quassel@150.110.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:21 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:22 -!- Alina-malina [~Alina-mal@unaffiliated/alina-malina] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - 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