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06:06 < kanzure> amiller: any chance you can get a student to make an audio recording?
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08:22 < Chris_Stewart_5> amiller: Thanks!
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17:40 < nsh> what might be a nice topic to talk about to the british computing society?
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18:10 < amiller> i think i didn't realize some stuff about how segwit affects bitcoin script programming
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18:10 < amiller> because you can build chains or trees of transactions representing different code paths, and just exchange signatures on all of them ahead of time
18:11 < amiller> maybe lightning takes advantage of some of this
18:11 < amiller> maybe i didn't really get the distinction between the "inherent" kind of transaction malleability, where someone can modify their own signature
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18:11 < amiller> and the "surprise" transaction malleability where someone other than the signer could do it
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18:28 < maaku> That's basically what lightning is and why it has a segwit dependency
18:28 < maaku> :)
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18:31 < amiller> what a waste of time
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18:39 < sipa> clearlt
18:39 < sipa> clearly
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18:47 < amiller> i'm pretty sure i can fix the N-player lottery now
18:48 < amiller> is there a guide anyone recommends on how to program bitcoin smart contracts post-Segwit and post-CLTV, that doesn't go straight into Lightning specifics?
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18:50 < maaku> Not really, no. One thing I would personally like and have been trying to find collaborators on is a DSL for compiling these transaction trees from a high level language, e.g. Haskell.
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18:52 < maaku> You can also abstract the daemon itself using pi calculus so that Lightning like systems can be specified as abstract state machines in a common high level DSL
18:52 < maaku> I know of no one that is working on this however.
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19:39 < roasbeef> maaku: GreenIsMyPepper and I are extremely interested in such a system, we've had many hallway convos on the matter, nothing concrete yet though
19:42 < kanzure> is there a state transition specification of lightning at all?
19:43 < kanzure> i felt sort of bad about all the source code in lightningd and lnd-- some of it seems like it should be generated in a few areas instead of handwritten
19:43 < kanzure> (although not all of it, of course.)
19:44 < kanzure> or if not generated, then at least function calls to setup the expected sequences from simpler primitives
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22:07 < maaku> roasbeef: excellent. maybe we can collaborate on this
22:08 < maaku> I had wanted to get a proof of concept done and then crash the lightning dev meeting with some proselytizing, but I guess that's not needed
22:08 < maaku> I'm going to be busy doing my actual talk for scaling bitcoin anyway, so any work on this will have to come after :\
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