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course 05:34 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p2003004D2B010000BCFE58B147BB9CE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p2003004D2B010000BCFE58B147BB9CE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:39 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:44 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p2003004D2B010000BCFE58B147BB9CE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p2003004D2B010000BCFE58B147BB9CE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:53 < cjcj> Is there a mirror available for downloading the documents at download.wpsoftware.com/bitcoin? It seems to be down 05:58 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@105.157.186.235] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:06 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.214] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:10 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.214] has quit [Client Quit] 06:14 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.214] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:16 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.214] has quit [Client Quit] 06:21 < fluffypony> cjcj: andytoshi said that he's having ISP issues, but he's working on it 06:22 < cjcj> fluffypony: OK, thanks 06:34 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:48 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:52 < andytoshi> cjcj: we're on day 3 of an unplanned outage which seems related to my DSL auth and my ISP (and its parent ISP) are "working on it" 06:53 < andytoshi> canada is basically like the rural US (except that you can't go to the good parts of the US without papers), there are one or two ISPs everywhere and they are unbelievable crap 06:54 < andytoshi> even if you are paying three times as much as the usual exhorbiant rates for "business internet" where they aren't supposed to do this 06:54 < fluffypony> andytoshi: why not plonk that stuff on a VPS? since it's static content you can easily get a VPS for like $15/year - https://www.lowendtalk.com/categories/offers 06:55 < andytoshi> because then i'd need two servers 06:56 < andytoshi> nothing on wpsoftware.net is static except the webserver, which took ten minutes to set up and is very easy to access because it's on the same LAN as my other servers ... and i'm also not sure that even 100% of the static content is stuff i'd like hosted out of my physical control 06:57 < fluffypony> fair enough 06:57 < fluffypony> you could always do mirrors.wpsoftware :-P 06:57 < wumpus> for static content there's always github.io :) 06:58 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:58 < andytoshi> wumpus: then i need another server -and- an unrelated auth mechanism to everything else i do, -and- i can't even do simple things like tack a php hit counter onto stuff 07:00 < fluffypony> andytoshi: rsync to a mirror 07:00 < fluffypony> and then use Route53 or similar to handle DNS failover 07:01 < nicolagreco> the typecoin paper is really interesting (I am pretty sure I come late on that), but defining affine logic formally can be very interesting 07:01 < andytoshi> oh my goodness guys, i was annoyed that i had to spend ten whole minutes setting up the existing paper :) 07:01 < wumpus> andytoshi: I've found it just so easy myself, just push to git and github will host it, no need to mess around with VPSes, apache servers etc. But whatever floats your boat :) 07:01 < andytoshi> err, server 07:02 < nicolagreco> one can type a coin and semantically use a type (as a programmable token) 07:03 < andytoshi> cjcj: what specifically are you looking for? 07:05 < andytoshi> my ISP updated my ticket 30 mins ago to say my case manager has the day off today 07:13 -!- Wazza_ [~Wazza@2001:41d0:2:2766::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15 < fluffypony> lol 07:25 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@105.157.186.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:35 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-114-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in] 07:35 < uiuc-slack> instagibbs, i thought that the signatures aren't included in segwit 07:35 < uiuc-slack> in the txid in segwit i mean 07:36 < uiuc-slack> so it doesn't matter if you make a bunch of different signatures on the same message, it won't be affecting the txid 07:37 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@176.227.198.122] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:44 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:46 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@176.227.198.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:49 -!- jnewbery 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figured it would be rude to strip that from the pdf 08:55 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@172.56.38.110] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:55 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@h88-150-224-74.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:56 < andytoshi> hehehe, I have one that's almost-publishable (as a draft), i've fixed almost all the TODOs and "uhh I think this proof is wrong" sections. i'm hammering out the 'extensions' section right now (which will take a bit, there is a ghetto payment channel scheme which is not entirely trivial) then there are ome technical steps missing from one last proof 09:00 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:06 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-235-71.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:08 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p2003004D2B010000BCFE58B147BB9CE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08 -!- bildramer 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(fa449fd4dc19aee19f1542c3f1a05e4132ab2ecd75635683f97f224a4f5601e8) 09:23 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:24 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@172.56.38.110] has quit [Quit: oleganza] 09:25 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:26 < andytosh1> my server is back up, lemme update the current status of the paper because it has some high-level intro stuff that amiller_ was missing.. 09:28 < andytosh1> https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizardry/mw-INCOMPLETE-DRAFT-28sep2016.pdf 09:28 -!- andytosh1 is now known as andytoshi 09:28 -!- proslogion [~proslogio@130.159.13.117] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:29 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30 < pigeons> i love the "defunct hidden service" citation 09:30 < andytoshi> :) 09:31 < andytoshi> i should add my and kanzure's mirror links to that.. 09:34 < proslogion> is there any real plan for mimblewimble that anyone is aware of? 09:35 < kanzure> andytoshi is merely a figment of our collective imagination 09:35 < andytoshi> proslogion: i'm slowly working on a consensus lib for it, but i underestimated how much math/eng work was required for the pairing stuff and lost a bunch of time .. and rn i'm playing catch-up writing the paper and preparing a talk 09:36 < proslogion> andytoshi: thanks, do you use the off the shelf pairing lib out there or write your own? 09:36 < andytoshi> the plan -was- to have a program that used the consensus lib to copy the bitcoin chainstate onto mimblewimble, say "look at this!" in milan, and try to attract some dev talent to build a p2p layer and wallets on top of it 09:36 < andytoshi> proslogion: initially i will use libpbc, mainly because i haven't nailed down the exact curve parameters i want 09:36 < proslogion> okay 'was', that was quite ambitious ;) 09:36 < andytoshi> but for an actual consensus system i need to write my own 09:36 < kanzure> https://crypto.stanford.edu/pbc/ 09:36 < andytoshi> right proslogion now i don't think i'll have enough of the code written by milan 09:37 < proslogion> rock star bubble busted ;) 09:37 < andytoshi> yep :) 09:37 < waxwing> "ghetto payment channel" lol 09:37 < waxwing> andytoshi: thanks for the new draft 09:37 < andytoshi> thanks for reading waxwing , please let me know if there's missing parts not marked TODO or if stuff is wrong/confusing 09:38 -!- brianhoffman [~brianhoff@pool-173-79-161-229.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:39 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:40 < waxwing> i think i'm going to start using a @ghetto decorator for all my test functions 09:48 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:50 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Changing host] 09:50 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined 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homomorphic in a way that should be sufficient for MW. (i'm not sure about rangeproofs, that's open). then the sinking signatures are easy, probably any LWE-based signature will be aggregable in the way that wewant 12:05 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@h88-150-224-74.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Your site hosts the canonical anti-proof-of-stake document, and it seems like all the tech companies these days are preferring ethereum and PoS and whatnot. Too much of a reach I guess 14:40 < Taek> also, looking forward to catching up on the MW stuff 14:40 < andytoshi> ok, yeah :) i thought that's what you meant but it is a bit of a reach 14:48 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@104.193.169-200.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: oleganza] 14:48 -!- AEM [AEM@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-kdkvqcylmvliqmlo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:51 < bitcoin191> hey guys 14:51 < bitcoin191> i successfully double spent my fuck up:) 14:51 < bitcoin191> holy shit that was close LOL 14:56 -!- dasource [uid48409@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-arpxnfdbnhgogjml] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:00 -!- bitcoin191 [369924af@gateway/web/freenode/ip.54.153.36.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:05 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:05 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 15:27 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:30 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:35 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:36 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:36 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:39 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:40 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:40 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:40 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:42 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:49 -!- zooko [~user@172.56.21.236] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:49 -!- baxt [~Mutter@host86-143-27-36.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:50 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:50 -!- _r0ach_ [~r0ach@107-217-214-192.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 15:56 -!- baxt [~Mutter@host86-143-27-36.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:57 -!- baxt [~Mutter@host86-143-27-36.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:58 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-235-71.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:59 -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:02 -!- zooko [~user@172.56.21.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:02 -!- DougieBot5000_ [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:06 -!- sausage_factory [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:06 -!- wumpus [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:08 -!- baxt [~Mutter@host86-143-27-36.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Mutter: http://www.mutterirc.com] 16:09 -!- droark [~droark@c-24-21-95-126.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:11 -!- baxt [~Mutter@host86-143-27-36.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:13 -!- davec [~davec@cpe-24-243-251-52.hot.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14 -!- davec [~davec@cpe-24-243-251-52.hot.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:18 -!- baxt [~Mutter@host86-143-27-36.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Mutter: http://www.mutterirc.com] 16:19 -!- baxt [~Mutter@host86-143-27-36.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:22 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:25 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:27 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:31 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:33 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:35 -!- baxt [~Mutter@host86-143-27-36.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36 -!- JHistone [~JHistone@cpc104808-sgyl39-2-0-cust135.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40 -!- AEM is now known as aem 16:42 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-235-71.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:47 < vega4> I just opened the mimble-wimble paper. It might be that I'm having a flue and that's 2:00 am.. and I got stuck at 1.2 Trust Model.forgive me, but it is so chaotic.. or maybe I need to get some sleep. you try to present your idea in the light of bitcoin and distance yourself from some pecularities of it. define required notions first move on to describing the diffrences.in a simple logical manner. I find it interesting ho 16:47 < vega4> ing some of the alt-coin papers turn out to be. look at the simplicity of bitcoin paper. "Mimblewimble only allows to verify essential features", that's where it intrugued me and I'm surely gonna read it whole tomorrow. 16:49 < kanzure> vega4: perhaps start with http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/mimblewimble.txt instead 16:49 < vega4> Iwill:) 16:49 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:53 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:56 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57 -!- wumpus [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:02 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:02 -!- dasource [uid48409@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-arpxnfdbnhgogjml] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:05 -!- jnewbery [~jnewbery@rrcs-67-251-193-154.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:07 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined 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PaulCapestany ] [ Yogh ] 20:47 [ cfields_ ] [ jaromil ] [ paveljanik ] [ yokwe ] 20:47 [ chjj ] [ jbenet ] [ petertodd ] [ yoleaux ] 20:47 [ cjcj ] [ jeremyrubin ] [ phantomcircuit] [ yorick ] 20:47 [ Cloudflare ] [ jessepollak ] [ pigeons ] [ zmanian___ ] 20:47 [ CodeShark ] [ jl2012 ] [ Piper-Off ] [ zxzzt ] 20:47 -!- Irssi: #bitcoin-wizards: Total of 228 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 227 normal] 20:47 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47 -!- Channel #bitcoin-wizards created Mon Feb 25 23:24:47 2013 20:47 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:47 -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:47 -!- Irssi: Join to #bitcoin-wizards was synced in 13 secs 20:48 -!- jessepollak [~jessepoll@104.131.138.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:49 -!- Alina-malina [~Alina-mal@37.157.216.181] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:49 -!- jessepollak 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Oct 29 17:53:34 2015] 23:32 [Users #bitcoin-wizards] 23:32 [@ChanServ ] [ Cory ] [ jouke ] [ qawap ] 23:32 [ [ace]_ ] [ coryfields ] [ jrayhawk ] [ qpm ] 23:32 [ [d__d] ] [ coup_de_shitlor-] [ jtremback__ ] [ RedEmerald ] 23:32 [ [Derek] ] [ crescendo ] [ K1773R ] [ retrohacker ] 23:32 [ _flow_ ] [ CryptoTraderClub] [ kanzure ] [ roasbeef ] 23:32 [ _mn3monic ] [ cyphase ] [ katu ] [ robmyers ] 23:32 [ _whitelogger ] [ d9b4bef9 ] [ Keefe ] [ rodarmor ] 23:32 [ a5m0 ] [ da2ce7 ] [ kinlo ] [ runeks ] 23:32 [ aalex_ ] [ dabura667 ] [ koshii ] [ ryan-c ] 23:32 [ aar- ] [ Darknes ] [ kumavis ] [ sdaftuar ] 23:32 [ AaronvanW ] [ davec ] [ kurti ] [ shesek ] 23:32 [ adam3us_ ] [ dEBRUYNE ] [ kyletorpey ] [ SirJacket ] 23:32 [ adams__ ] [ Dizzle ] [ legogris ] [ smooth ] 23:32 [ adlai ] [ dnaleor ] [ Lightsword ] [ sneak ] 23:32 [ AdrianG ] [ DougieBot5000 ] [ liviud ] [ snthsnth ] 23:32 [ aem ] [ draynium ] [ lmatteis ] [ so ] 23:32 [ afk11_ ] [ e0 ] [ Logicwax- ] [ sparetire ] 23:32 [ aj ] [ e4xit ] [ luke-jr ] [ spinza ] 23:32 [ Alanius ] [ echonaut ] [ luny ] [ Starduster ] 23:32 [ alferz ] [ Eliel_ ] [ Madars ] [ starsoccer ] 23:32 [ Alina-malina ] [ Emcy_ ] [ malte ] [ stevenroose ] 23:32 [ Alopex ] [ epscy_ ] [ mappum ] [ STRML ] 23:32 [ amiller_ ] [ eragmus ] [ mariorz_ ] [ superkuh ] 23:32 [ andrew ] [ espes_ ] [ Mazz_ ] [ Taek ] 23:32 [ Anduck ] [ Expanse ] [ Meeh ] [ TD-Linux ] 23:32 [ andytoshi ] [ Fistful_of_Coins] [ meZee ] [ Tenhi ] 23:32 [ anon616 ] [ fkinglag ] [ mhanne ] [ Tenhi_ ] 23:32 [ arowser ] [ fluffypony ] [ midnightmagic ] [ TheSeven ] 23:32 [ arubi ] [ forrestv ] [ moli ] [ thrasher`` ] 23:32 [ asoltys ] [ freekevin ] [ morcos ] [ tripleslash ] 23:32 [ aspect_ ] [ ghtdak ] [ mountaingoat ] [ trippysalmon] 23:32 [ baffo32 ] [ gigq ] [ mryandao ] [ tromp ] 23:32 [ bassguitarman ] [ gnusha ] [ Muis ] [ tromp_ ] 23:32 [ BCBot ] [ GreenIsMyPepper ] [ musalbas ] [ uiuc-slack ] 23:32 [ belcher ] [ gribble ] [ Myagui ] [ vdo ] 23:32 [ berndj ] [ gsdgdfs ] [ nanotube ] [ vega4 ] 23:32 [ bertani_ ] [ Guest26039 ] [ nba_btchip ] [ veleiro ] 23:32 [ bildramer ] [ Guest40680 ] [ nephyrin` ] [ wallet42 ] 23:32 [ binaryFate ] [ gwillen ] [ Newyorkadam ] [ warren ] 23:32 [ binns ] [ harrow ] [ nickler ] [ waxwing ] 23:32 [ bitjedi ] [ harrymm ] [ nicolagreco ] [ weeeeeew ] 23:32 [ blkdb ] [ helo ] [ NicolasDorier ] [ wizkid057 ] 23:32 [ BlueMatt ] [ henrytill ] [ Nightwolf ] [ worstadmin ] 23:32 [ BonyM1 ] [ humd1ng3r ] [ nsh ] [ wpalczynski ] 23:32 [ brand0 ] [ Hunger- ] [ null_radix ] [ wumpus ] 23:32 [ bsm117532 ] [ huseby ] [ optimator ] [ xeon-enouf ] 23:32 [ bsm1175321 ] [ ibrightly ] [ othe ] [ xissburg ] 23:32 [ btcdrak ] [ iddo ] [ otoburb ] [ ybit ] 23:32 [ buckowski ] [ Iriez ] [ PaulCapestany ] [ Ylbam ] 23:32 [ c0rw1n ] [ isis ] [ paveljanik ] [ Yogh ] 23:32 [ cannedprimates] [ ithicad ] [ petertodd ] [ yokwe ] 23:32 [ catcow ] [ jaromil ] [ phantomcircuit] [ yoleaux ] 23:32 [ cfields_ ] [ jbenet ] [ pigeons ] [ yorick ] 23:32 [ 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