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02:01 < throwawayjon> hey, i have investment questions for CEO of the bitcoin if possibles?
02:01 < throwawayjon> or is onecoin better blockchain?
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08:40 < pigeons> lol
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08:46 < qpm> tx:<Jeremy_Rand> pigeons is the CEO of the Bitcoin, he'll be happy to give you investment advice
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09:37 < fluffypony> he left before I could provide a suitably snarky reply
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09:38 < qpm> tx:<Jeremy_Rand> fluffypony: out of curiosity, what would your reply have been?  (No guarantee I won't steal it next time I encounter such a situation)
09:39 < fluffypony> I would've changed my nick to CEO_of_BTC and encouraged them to leverage their 401k and go all-in on OneCoin
09:40 < qpm> tx:<Jeremy_Rand> fluffypony: that's far better than anything I would have come up with.
09:40 < qpm> tx:<Jeremy_Rand> actually I could have done that more effectively since nick changes behind qpm don't show up on Freenode
09:41 < qpm> tx:<Jeremy_Rand> Are there still people who think Bitcoin has a CEO...?
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09:42 < fluffypony> I'm sure they were just trolling
09:43 < qpm> tx:<Jeremy_Rand> fluffypony: oh, you should have done that nick change but said that OneCoin is buying out Bitcoin next week
09:43 < fluffypony> :-P
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09:55 < bsm117532> OneCoin is dead. Long live TwoCoin!
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10:16 < adlai> one coin, two coin, red coin, blue coin
10:16 < qpm> tx:<Jeremy_Rand> AlephCoin is infinitely better.
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11:42 < andytoshi> waxwing: not "one tx per block", the voldemort scheme requires a signature for every individual transaction, before it was merged
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11:45 < waxwing> andytoshi: each block contains one canonical tx, right? i thought the individual txs were aggregated into that so that there's only one excess?
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11:59 < andytoshi> waxwing: there's only one excess, but it's a sum of all the original excesses, and you need a signature on it (basically a multisignature of all the original transactors)
12:00 < andytoshi> and absent interaction, the only way to have a multisignature is to have a bunch of separate signatures
12:03 < andytoshi> this is what https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4vub3y/mimblewimble_noninteractive_coinjoin_and_better/d61n7yd was about
12:04 < waxwing> yes i remember that, somehow can't quite see how it all fits together. will have another look tomorrow, thanks for the help :)
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16:16 < skang404> petertodd: scaling ideas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MlOPyHg1A
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17:14 < danrobinson> @skang404 Did you make the video private?
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17:22 < Taek> Seems like Zcash chose to use equihash as their base PoW, which strikes me as an odd choice.
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18:29 < needmoney90> First time in this channel, hey
18:29 < needmoney90> I’m wondering what your thoughts are on the new dPoW mechanism described here: https://komodoplatform.com/whitepaper/
18:30 < needmoney90> It looks really interesting to me, and seems viable as a way of ensuring immutability (and history rewrite attacks) on weaker blockchains, by writing merkle roots of your chain into the Bitcoin chain
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19:09 < uiuc-slack> <amiller> what are your thoughts about equihash, Taek?
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19:55 < Taek> amiller: my understanding is that no matter what algorithm you set up, professional miners are going to be able to do a lot better than home miners
19:55 < Taek> I haven't read too much about it, but from what I understand GPUs are within an order of magnitude of CPUs in terms of effectiveness
19:56 < Taek> but that's still really severe
19:56 < uiuc-slack> <amiller> it might still be worthwhile to reduce it to merely 1 order of magnitude
19:56 < Taek> I have an anecdote to support that idea
19:56 < Taek> When Sia launched, GPU mining was about 15x as fast as CPU mining (today the code is better, the disparity is closer to 300x)
19:57 < Taek> And I had a friend with access to a 24-core server, but no access to GPUs
19:57 < Taek> so he solo mined with his CPUs on the server that he wasn't paying for
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19:58 < Taek> today with Sia, the professional miners do a lot better than the home miners, because they have the *right* GPU, and they actually dual-mine Sia and Ethereum, as Sia is a computation-bottleneck and Eth is a memory bottleneck. Mining both gets you less coins of each, but more value overall
19:58 < Taek> The *right* GPU iirc is something like 3x or 4x as good as the average gpu
19:58 < Taek> it's more power effecient and blah blah blah, not so useful for gaming b/c it's just not very fast
19:59 < Taek> but great for mining
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20:00 < Taek> I'm not super clued-in, but I don't think Sia has any altruistic miners, even though we have lots of users with idle GPUs
20:00 < Taek> And I'm forecasting that a similar situation will apply to Zcash
20:02 < othe> equihash closed src miners are already 1000x faster tho...
20:02 < Guest31069> othe: seriously?  Link?
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20:03 < othe> so far cryptonight and cuckoo, cuckoo having some nice advantages as easy to verify tho, seems to be the only thing that kinda holds up
20:03 < othe> also the stuff BBR uses, seems to work, using the blockchain as a scratchpad
20:04 < Taek> Sia had a similar problem. Professional alt-coin-GPU-code-people released stuff that was 10x as fast as the open source alternatives. We got lucky because one of them was very eager to share his knowledge about GPUs, and so while he never shared code with us he shared basically all the important techniques that applied to blake2b.
20:05 < Taek> Many coins don't get that out of the gate the way we did
20:05 < bsm117532> I had been thinking to do that with Zcash, but haven't had the time...
20:06 < bsm117532> Mining algos are boring.  :-/  They all reduce to two things: (1) startup capital costs and (2) running capital costs.
20:08 < Taek> BBR algo paper: http://boolberry.com/files/Block_Chain_Based_Proof_of_Work.pdf
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20:20 < needmoney90> Any thoughts on the dPoW whitepaper? https://i.reddituploads.com/1625606f6a2141a3a7751bdb9211b44b?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=7badd7e6f08a994d8cb57097d7f93611
20:20 < needmoney90> oops
20:20 < needmoney90> wrong link sorry
20:20 < needmoney90> https://komodoplatform.com/downloads/Komodo_dPoW_Whitepaper_v1.pdf
20:20 < needmoney90> there
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20:21 < needmoney90> Short description is that dPoW takes the merkle root of your alt’s blockchain and embeds it in the BTC blockchain, which prevents history rewrite attacks
20:21 < bsm117532> jl777 is that you?
20:21 < needmoney90> I am not him, no.
20:21 < needmoney90> I read it and thought it was really promising, it’s a twist on what Factom does
20:22 < bsm117532> Seems really obvious to me. :-/
20:22 < uiuc-slack> <amiller> taek that was a really interesting anecdote
20:22 < bsm117532> Any successful consensus mechanism can be used as a bootstrap.
20:22 < needmoney90> Yup, this just formalizes it
20:23 < needmoney90> I think we’ll be seeing a lot more dPoW coins coming out, it’s a pretty neat use bootstrapping off of BTC’s hashpower
20:24 < needmoney90> Even if it’s a fairly obvious logical step, it hasn’t been formalized/used before, as far as I’m aware. The closest thing I can think of is how Factom drops anchors in the BTC chain
20:24 < Taek> needmoney90: there is the problem of censorship, and the problem of SPV. If not all the data is in the Bitcoin blockchain, you need some other guarantee that you'll be able to download whatever the btc miners commit to.
20:24 < Taek> And, since people can put fake data in the blockchain, you don't have any SPV
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20:25 < othe> the whole WP is utterly stupid, especially the 64 notary servers, why an even numbers, if half of them disagree of sth u have a split network...
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20:26 < Taek> amiller: he stopped mining after the difficulty raised enough that he was no longer getting a block every day
20:26 < Taek> at that point the GPU algorithm had not yet improved
20:27 < Taek> (there were no mining pools)
20:28 < bsm117532> needmoney90: Komodo has all the hallmarks of a scam.  Buzzword-laden blahblah on the front page.  Several things I think are bullshit (NXT, Proof of Stake).
20:28 < othe> he could have mined with AWS instances easily, guess it was just a small time miner
20:28 < bsm117532> These are the same idiots behind SuperNet: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=806495.0
20:28 < othe> bsm117532 and no....simulations, charts, math... why would u need that in a WP
20:29 < bsm117532> https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2fnpex/eli5_who_is_jl777what_exactly_is_the_supernetwhat/
20:29 < bsm117532> Take off and nuke the site from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.
20:30 < bsm117532> I'm not wasting another second of my attention on that...
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20:32 < othe> what do u expect from the inventor of telepods anonimity protocol (but at least that one was fun to read as it had pirates in it)
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