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That is, represents a net transfer from UTXOs (0x0000...0x7ffff...) to/from (0x8000...0xffff....)? 07:26 < bsm1175321> If so, this could be used to shard the UTXO set, so that nodes can provide a service by running a node while holding only a fraction of the UTXO set. 07:27 < kanzure> petertodd: what is the origin of probabilistic validation in the proof-of-publication proposals? 07:27 < bsm1175321> (Probably in combination with your idea of tree-ing out the PoW and aggregating it) 07:29 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:32 -!- yoleaux [~yoleaux@xn--ht-1ia18f.nonceword.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:33 -!- thomsthetank [448419a8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.132.25.168] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:34 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 07:36 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:36 < thomsthetank> Hey, I'm having a problem with a mainchain to sidechain transaction on elements. After I relay all the transactions I still don't receive my coins on the sidechain. 07:43 -!- WungFu [~WungFu@unaffiliated/wungfu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:46 -!- bsm117532 is now known as Guest91688 07:46 -!- bsm1175321 is now known as bsm117532 07:48 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:53 -!- funkenstein_ [~bowler@unaffiliated/funkenstein] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:53 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:12 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@109.128.248.206] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:18 -!- andytosh1 is now known as andytoshi 08:19 < andytoshi> bsm117532: i don't think so, sinking signatures are actually not super compact, they're log-sized in the heights that they sign 08:20 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:21 < andytoshi> they also can't really represent flows of funds by themselves, they're signing with a public key that has a pile of information about a transaction in it (and i don't see how that could be made to interact with sharding) 08:21 < bsm117532> They still have to contain all the outputs, no? 08:21 < andytoshi> no, the sinking signature is only on the transaction excess commitment 08:21 < bsm117532> Couldn't the excess be the cross-shard excess? 08:21 < andytoshi> it doesn't know anything about outputs, the only thing a sinking signature proves is that a single commitment is zero 08:21 < andytoshi> i suppose so 08:21 < andytoshi> i don't really know what that would mean though 08:22 < bsm117532> Well it could represent a flow of funds, so that I can trust that the sharding is operating correctly and funds are not being created or destroyed. (without holding all the data) 08:22 -!- Topogetcyrpto_ [~Topogetcy@88.150.180.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:23 < andytoshi> i don't think so, you need to see all the rangeproofs of every output in a shard to know that no funds were created or destroyed on it 08:24 < bsm117532> Perhaps if a miner were to write/sign the cross-shard excess? Other miners holding the same shard can verify its correctness and mine on top of it. 08:25 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:25 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@176.227.198.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:25 -!- Topogetcyrpto_ is now known as Topogetcyrpto 08:36 -!- Giszmo1 [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:38 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:45 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:49 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:56 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:01 -!- sam_ [~Mutter@84.126.69.179.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01 -!- sam_ [~Mutter@84.126.69.179.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:13 -!- nooblord [~Nooblord@190.8.88.47] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:14 -!- Topogetcyrpto_ [~Topogetcy@h5-152-213-186.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:15 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@88.150.180.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:15 -!- Topogetcyrpto_ is now known as Topogetcyrpto 09:15 -!- Guest40901 [~quassel@173.228.107.141] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 09:16 -!- maaku [~quassel@173-228-107-141.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:32 -!- MoALTz [~no@77-254-12-108.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:33 -!- domwoe [~domwoe@84-75-162-45.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:44 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:44 -!- jtimon [~quassel@211.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44 -!- funkenstein_ [~bowler@unaffiliated/funkenstein] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:48 -!- funkenstein_ [~bowler@unaffiliated/funkenstein] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:02 -!- nooblord [~Nooblord@190.8.88.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:21 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:41 -!- brguy [uid21011@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccyutqcrdutualyb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:47 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@h5-152-213-186.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:51 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@77.245.65.2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:02 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:02 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:02 -!- Davasny [~quassel@tlk02.tl.krakow.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:04 -!- funkenstein_ [~bowler@unaffiliated/funkenstein] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:04 -!- Topogetcyrpto_ [~Topogetcy@77.245.65.2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:05 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@77.245.65.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:05 -!- Topogetcyrpto_ is now known as Topogetcyrpto 11:07 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.138.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:08 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.138.202] has quit [Client Quit] 11:09 < adlai> bsm117532: i disagree that empty blockspace is worthless. it signals to blockspace consumers, "if you'd paid more, i might have included your transaction" 11:10 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-40-227-45-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:11 < adlai> thomsthetank: i believe there's a dedicated channel for elements alpha 11:13 -!- Aranjedeath [~Aranjedea@unaffiliated/aranjedeath] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:23 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:23 < bsm117532> adlai: the pricing model implied has no basis in reality. It doesn't cost a miner more to produce a block with one more transaction. 11:24 < adlai> but i thought "a transaction fee market exists without a block size limit"? :D 11:29 < bsm117532> Did I say that? 11:32 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:32 < nsh> (it's not established that anything exists [maintains sustainable consensus] without block limits, as afaik it's not been tested) 11:32 < nsh> *blocksize 11:34 < adlai> it's the title of Peter__R's paper... quoted ironically 11:39 < bsm117532> Hahaa I see ;-) 11:50 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ezslaifenjvrcinr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:00 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uemhskwmulwcbder] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:07 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:07 -!- alferz [~alferz@unaffiliated/alfer] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:08 -!- jack_ 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