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00:35 < JackH> and its Python, sweet
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02:37 < petertodd> JackH: it also has some reaslly powerful pruning mechanisms
02:38 < petertodd> JackH: basically, you can prune a k:v tree, access a few keys, then extract from that tree *only* the data needed to prove those keys do (or do not!) exist in the tree
02:39 < petertodd> JackH: behind the scenes this is done with a bunch of python getattr magic, and pruning-supporting serialization
02:39 < petertodd> JackH: I think it's the most natural way to handle proof extraction that I've ever seen
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02:46 < waxwing> huh, this is interesting, so you can prove non-membership of a key in the tree? how compact is that?
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02:48 < petertodd> /away
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02:49 < petertodd> waxwing: O(log2 n)
02:49 < petertodd> waxwing: basically, you just need to show that when you go down the tree in the particular path defined by the key, that path doesn't end in that key
02:49 < petertodd> that's why it's a k:v tree rather than just a merkle tree
02:49 < waxwing> thanks, reading.
02:51 < JackH> yeah what is interesting here is that its k:v based from my point of view
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02:53 < JackH> how do you handle multiple attributes that Python offers with getattr
02:53 < JackH> is that supported ?
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02:57 < petertodd> JackH: what do you mean by multiple ttributes?
02:58 < JackH> so for example
02:58 < JackH> we create this:
02:58 < JackH> a = ["bob", "alice"]
02:59 < JackH> and then getattr(a, "append")("joe")
02:59 < JackH> basically multiple values for a key
02:59 < petertodd> how is that multiple values for a key? you're getting "append" - a function - and calling it with "joe"
03:00 < petertodd> to be exact, I mean the magic is done with the special function __getattr__
03:00 < JackH> ah no, so in this example I add joe
03:00 < petertodd> *special classfunction
03:00 < JackH> hmm I need to read up on this in Python
03:00 < petertodd> yeah, I think you're misunderstanding something
03:00 < petertodd> also read the source code for python-proofmarshal and how pruning works
03:01 < petertodd> the unittests are good for understanding all this
03:01 < JackH> ahh, this is why I misunderstood: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1944625/what-is-the-relationship-between-getattr-and-getattr
03:02 < petertodd> yup
03:03 < petertodd> basically, what's going on under the hood with __getattr__ is a pruned object is just an object with all attributes removed, and as they are accessed, setattr is used to put them back one by one, marking them as needed (unpruned)
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03:04 < petertodd> note that when I say attributes there, I'm referring to a pre-defined per-class list that defines the attribute name and type - aka how its serialized
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