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depositing to the same account to cover their liabilities against fraud a "federated" solution or a "decentralized" solution? 06:58 < sn0wmonster> example: if there are 6 escrow agents, none of them are related to each other, except that they all use the same software and operate their escrow services on the same network/site. they provide an escrow for a decentralized service (lets say IRC or anything at all that fits the example), 06:59 < sn0wmonster> and since trust alone doesn't prevent fraud, you require each one to deposit double the amount that they would be escrowing at any given time (2 BTC must be present in their deposits for them to be allowed to accept an escrow job of 1 BTC), 07:01 -!- nikivi [~nikivi@dhcp-077-250-172-150.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01 < sn0wmonster> if you have all the escrow agents need to agree on releasing a single agent's deposit (when they are through providing the services to the network), or just guarantee its safety in the meantime by trusting the group of agents not to act against a single agent, would that be considered a federated or decentralized approach to escrow? 07:02 -!- nikivi_ [~nikivi@dhcp-077-250-172-150.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:12 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:18 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-butcgatkuoysoqox] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 07:29 -!- Hunger- [~Hunger@zer0days.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:52 -!- ManfredMacx [~hyperion@78-0-255-117.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:54 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:58 -!- bitri [~bitri@2604:2000:1280:2c:e8de:6934:3c60:7041] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 08:07 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:29 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nnqstxrpjzwbsbib] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:44 -!- psztorc [~Thunderbi@ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:55 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-185-145.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:56 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-185-145.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 08:56 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-185-145.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:38 < Taek> sn0wmonster: it is decentralized, but it's not the same sort of decentralized that Bitcoin is 09:38 < Taek> the big difference between the two is that Bitcoin is trustless - no amount of collusion in Bitcoin (including 51% attacks) can make you spend coins 09:39 < Taek> the best they can do is reverse the history where you received the coins 09:39 < Taek> but to do that they have to reverse a LOT of history 09:41 < Taek> but the escrow agents in your example can basically do whatever they want if they all agree 09:42 < sn0wmonster> correct. is there a way to mitigate that that doesn't involve a blockchain? 09:46 -!- PERSIAN 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https://nickler.ninja/blog/2016/12/17/a-problem-with-ringct/ 14:39 < waxwing> seems like another key cancellation thing, reminiscent of the problem with naive schnorr aggregation 14:39 -!- nkhl [~nkhl@49.44.51.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:49 < nickler> Exactly, that's the key idea. The rest is mostly solving more or less boring equations. 14:50 < waxwing> on the bright side, i found out a bit about how RingCT works :) never got round to it before. 14:52 < waxwing> it's actually kind of a neat intuition they have there: to get a signature on P1 or P2, wrap one schnorr sig inside another: from K = sG +H(K)P, they go to K = sG + H(s2G +H(K)P2)P1 14:58 < waxwing> nickler: are the pubkeys referred to here as in CT, i.e. corresponding to digits, and so all fixed in advance? 15:01 < nickler> waxwing: yes 15:03 -!- MoALTz [~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:35 -!- metamarc [~cypher@unaffiliated/agorist000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:07 -!- stevenroose [~steven@vps.weuste.club] has left #bitcoin-wizards ["Leaving"] 16:07 -!- stevenroose [~steven@vps.weuste.club] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:22 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:23 -!- nikivi [~nikivi@dhcp-077-250-172-150.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: irc] 16:30 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:36 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@105.157.182.151] has quit [Quit: Topogetcyrpto] 16:36 -!- alpalp [~allen@cpe-24-27-58-209.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:36 -!- alpalp [~allen@cpe-24-27-58-209.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:36 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:37 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:57 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@105.157.182.151] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:28 -!- psztorc_ [~Thunderbi@ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:30 -!- psztorc [~Thunderbi@ool-4575fa8d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:30 -!- psztorc_ is now known as psztorc 17:30 -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:32 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:38 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zkunirfkjiuyisew] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:40 -!- alpalp [~allen@cpe-24-27-58-209.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:40 -!- alpalp [~allen@cpe-24-27-58-209.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:40 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:47 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-grngxhbjguqnvlas] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:47 -!- rusty2 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:48 -!- Topogetcyrpto [~Topogetcy@105.157.182.151] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 17:59 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:00 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04 -!- xissburg [~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:14 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:15 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:15 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:21 -!- BTCBot [~BTCBot@193.138.219.250] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:28 < BTCBot> have you heard about the new Bitcoin exploit? You can stop mining and make BTC in seconds just follow the instructions on this YouTube video: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c7DpH9Kc0g&feature=youtu.be 18:28 -!- BTCBot [~BTCBot@193.138.219.250] has quit [] 18:40 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:56 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:02 -!- Muis_ [sid26074@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rkrfgrgdyzeurnhy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:03 -!- Muis [sid26074@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uuuvvmliawvwfaqh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:03 -!- Muis_ is now known as Muis 19:08 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:08 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:09 -!- Iriez [wario@distribution.xbins.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:09 -!- _Iriez [wario@distribution.xbins.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:19 -!- robmyers [sid75499@gnu/social/robmyers] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:21 -!- robmyers [sid75499@gnu/social/robmyers] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:21 -!- Transisto2 [~Trans@modemcable017.144-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:22 -!- Transisto2 [~Trans@196.52.22.21] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:25 -!- sn0wmonster [~yeti@taskhive/developer/sn0wmonster] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28 -!- P4Titan [~user@204.187.100.19] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:28 < P4Titan> adiabat: Hey 19:34 -!- gsdgdfs [~Trans@modemcable017.144-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:36 -!- Transisto2 [~Trans@196.52.22.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44 -!- sn0w [~yeti@2a00:f440:0:3001:216:3eff:fecf:8283] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:44 -!- sn0w [~yeti@2a00:f440:0:3001:216:3eff:fecf:8283] has quit [Changing host] 19:44 -!- sn0w [~yeti@taskhive/developer/sn0wmonster] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:47 -!- sn0w is now known as sn0wmonster 19:50 -!- alpalp [~allen@unaffiliated/alpalp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:58 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:35 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37 -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:37 -!- kallle [~kallle@zz2014411797B6F89E81.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38 -!- kallle [~kallle@zz2014411797B6F89E81.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:39 -!- kallle_ [~kallle@zz2014411797B6F89E81.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:39 -!- kallle [~kallle@zz2014411797B6F89E81.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47 -!- P4Titan [~user@204.187.100.19] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twwzmiezvjdkizmk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:59 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:02 -!- kallle_ [~kallle@zz2014411797B6F89E81.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02 -!- kallle [~kallle@zz2014411797B6F89E81.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:04 -!- kallle_ [~kallle@zz2014411797B6F89E81.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:04 -!- kallle [~kallle@zz2014411797B6F89E81.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:10 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:16 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:16 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:20 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:29 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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