--- Log opened Mon Jan 30 00:00:19 2017 00:07 -!- LIERO [~LIERO@unaffiliated/liero] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:14 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:18 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:23 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:38 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:02 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:06 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:22 -!- harrymm [~wayne@104.207.83.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:26 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:34 -!- aguycalled [~aguycalle@2a02:2450:102d:b5:4547:3b33:3019:3062] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:46 -!- harrymm [~wayne@104.207.83.17] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:49 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:50 -!- harrymm [~wayne@104.207.83.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55 -!- harrymm [~wayne@104.207.83.17] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:57 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@207pc74.sshunet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:57 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@207pc74.sshunet.nl] has quit [Changing host] 01:57 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:02 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@103.5.140.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:03 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@103.5.140.172] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:07 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:10 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@103.5.140.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27 -!- harrymm [~wayne@104.207.83.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:40 -!- cyphase_eviltwin [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:41 -!- harrymm [~wayne@191.96.49.22] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:00 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@81.77.239.49.rev.vmobile.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:17 -!- harrymm [~wayne@191.96.49.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:22 -!- harrymm [~wayne@191.96.49.22] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:26 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@81.77.239.49.rev.vmobile.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:27 < jl2012> I have a question about "GetSizeOfCompactSize". It returns things like sizeof(unsigned int), but isn't this dependent on the architecture? 03:27 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:35 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@194.64.239.49.rev.vmobile.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:54 -!- Davasny [~quassel@78.10.231.191] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:57 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:07 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@194.64.239.49.rev.vmobile.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08 -!- kenshi84_ [~kenshi84@194.64.239.49.rev.vmobile.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:08 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:18 -!- kenshi84_ [~kenshi84@194.64.239.49.rev.vmobile.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:25 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@2400:7800:48db:9100:9138:663d:99c6:923f] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:33 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:38 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:47 -!- cyphase_eviltwin is now known as cyphase 04:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 05:05 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:08 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:09 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:19 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nxxdgabmvvpyjlvu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:39 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:46 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:47 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: LeMiner 05:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: LeMiner 05:56 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:57 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 05:59 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:00 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:09 -!- aguycalled [~aguycalle@2a02:2450:102d:b5:bcd0:84fd:6347:f6fe] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:12 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-50-159-126-21.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:13 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17 -!- edvorg [~edvorg@14.169.37.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:28 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:34 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@wsip-24-120-54-28.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:36 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:53 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:57 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mfcccpgqetgwzluy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:03 -!- droark [~droark@50-242-99-126-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:06 -!- atgreen [~green@38.104.156.251] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:08 -!- droark [~droark@50-242-99-126-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:11 -!- jtimon [~quassel@245.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:14 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:18 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:29 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 07:38 -!- edvorg [~edvorg@14.169.37.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:44 < sipa> jl2012: #bitcoin-core-dev 07:50 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-173-49-237-221.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:53 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lyqctamvhjrithqk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:07 -!- harrymm [~wayne@191.96.49.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:07 -!- Sick__ [~Sick@ti0056a400-3392.bb.online.no] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:11 -!- Sick__ [~Sick@ti0056a400-3392.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13 -!- MoALTz [~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:23 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nznrdxvoflfaguof] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:23 -!- harrymm [~wayne@104.207.83.19] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:37 -!- fibonacci [uid136497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nxyhnxbhsnkfjauv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:38 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:48 -!- fibonacci [uid136497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmqvntavioeounxi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:48 -!- fibonacci is now known as Guest4801 08:52 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:53 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-25-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:59 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mfcccpgqetgwzluy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:01 -!- harrymm [~wayne@104.207.83.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:04 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:14 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:19 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:20 -!- Kexkey [~kexkey@23.105.149.2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:24 -!- aguycalled [~aguycalle@2a02:2450:102d:b5:bcd0:84fd:6347:f6fe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24 -!- aguycalled [~aguycalle@37.120.75.4] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:25 -!- Kexkey [~kexkey@23.105.149.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:28 -!- reBrain [~quassel@unaffiliated/rebrain] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:47 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:47 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has quit [Changing host] 09:47 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:50 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:51 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:52 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:53 -!- pero [~pero@unaffiliated/pero] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:57 -!- pero [~pero@unaffiliated/pero] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 09:57 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:01 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:05 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:06 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:15 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:20 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34 < kanzure> .title https://www.meetup.com/EthereumSiliconValley/events/236764000/ 10:34 < yoleaux> Eli Ben-Sasson: Towards transparent and scalable computational integrity - Silicon Valley Ethereum Meetup (Mountain View, CA) | Meetup 10:35 < kanzure> there was a recent revision to "Computational integrity with a public random string from quasi-linear PCPs" http://eprint.iacr.org/2016/646 10:35 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz...] 10:36 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:38 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:38 < kanzure> :( "The paper describing STARK is not quite ready" 10:41 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:41 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:49 -!- edvorg [~edvorg@14.169.37.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:54 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:54 -!- JHistone [~JHistone@cpc102320-sgyl38-2-0-cust380.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:57 -!- Guest4801 [uid136497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmqvntavioeounxi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:03 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-25-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...] 11:04 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-25-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:16 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16 -!- echonaut3 [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:26 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:29 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-50-159-126-21.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:33 -!- hashtag_ [~hashtagg_@cpe-174-97-254-80.ma.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:35 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36 -!- hashtag [~hashtagg_@cpe-174-97-254-80.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:41 -!- _rht [uid86914@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-odcmjmhwcoajazbd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:53 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nznrdxvoflfaguof] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 11:57 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nqxskwqgpmoyrkaf] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:04 -!- reBrain [~quassel@unaffiliated/rebrain] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15 -!- Guest4801 [uid136497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsocbghhuqfkxpbx] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:24 < _Iriez> Does anyone know of the top of their head if there is a central place that references research of impact on node count from increasing block size? 12:25 < _Iriez> I've been searching for a hour now, not coming up with the information I know I previosly read. 12:25 < _Iriez> Its been a solid 1.5 years since it came out I believe. 12:27 -!- Guest4801 is now known as fibonacci 12:28 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:48 < _Iriez> actually, the bitfury whitepaper does a very good job! this satisfies my requirements. 12:57 < _Iriez> How accurate is this bitfury whitepaper? 12:57 < _Iriez> http://bravenewcoin.com/assets/Whitepapers/block-size-1.1.1.pdf 12:57 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:58 < _Iriez> its claiming that a 2MB blocksize would immediately decrease node count by 40% and would require 8GB of ram for nodes 12:58 < _Iriez> Is this accurate? 12:59 < sipa> that seems very unlikely... the effects are likely much more spread out over time 12:59 < sipa> also, i don't think node count matters that much on itself 13:00 < sipa> in that for those running full nodes, the number of nodes is irrelevant (their own node fully validates, they don't need any others to do the same) 13:00 < sipa> it's a proxy indicator for the health of the ecosystem, of course 13:13 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:13 -!- Davasny [~quassel@78.10.231.191] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:22 < Eliel_> _Iriez: do be careful about the vocabulary there. Make sure whether it's talking about actual 2MB blocksize or the blocksize limit. 13:32 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:44 < _Iriez> It appears its blocksize, not blocksize limit? that was my assumption and I dont see any terminology to counter that belief? 13:44 < _Iriez> sipa: thank you, I thought that was unlikely as well. 13:57 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:01 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:11 -!- ipwn [~ipwn@bl18-232-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:11 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:11 -!- ipwn [~ipwn@bl18-232-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:12 < _Iriez> sipa: also, is the 8GB of RAM a incorrect assessment for a effective 2mb (full) blocksize? Do you have any numbers on projected required physical ram for 2mb, 4mb, etc? 14:17 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:19 < sipa> _Iriez: there is no 'required' physical ram 14:19 < sipa> _Iriez: it's all a balance between performance and cost 14:19 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:20 < sipa> you can run a full node today with maybe half a gigabyte, and we can certainly tweek the software for less 14:21 < sipa> (i'm not disagreeing with the sentiment by the way - i'm *very* afraid of the pressure on resource costs including RAM to performantly run full node... but strong claims like this with exact numbers are totally bogus) 14:22 < sipa> especially memory usage scales with the UTXO set size mostly... and a larger block size will likely cause faster UTXO growth... but it's all indirect 14:22 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:22 < gmaxwell> the problem is that 'required for performance to not fall off a cliff' in practice means required, but pedantically it's not 'required'.. If people go around saying required it's asking for someone to pull out the pandantic argument and say you were lying. 14:24 < gmaxwell> part of the design of segwit is controlling utxo growh: the worst case utxo growth is no larger with segwit, and the average growth is plausably controlled by the weight construction (growing the UTXO set will cost more on average relative to ordinary transactions assuming rational miners) 14:24 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:25 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@2400:7800:48db:9100:9138:663d:99c6:923f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25 -!- aguycalled [~aguycalle@37.120.75.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28 -!- LIERO_ [~LIERO@unaffiliated/liero] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:30 -!- LIERO__ [~LIERO@unaffiliated/liero] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:30 -!- LIERO [~LIERO@unaffiliated/liero] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30 -!- aguycalled [~aguycalle@37.120.75.4] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:31 -!- atgreen [~green@38.104.156.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32 -!- LIERO_ [~LIERO@unaffiliated/liero] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:41 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@79.176.138.210.rev.vmobile.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:47 -!- aguycalled [~aguycalle@37.120.75.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47 -!- aguycalled [~aguycalle@2a02:2450:102d:b5:912a:61b0:31f0:8092] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:15 -!- aguycalled [~aguycalle@2a02:2450:102d:b5:912a:61b0:31f0:8092] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lyqctamvhjrithqk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:29 < _Iriez> Thank you both for the responses, that helps clarify it. I should have worded my question better. More along the lines of, "What is the average memory impact on clients running 13.2 (or 13.99) theoretically under similar conditions as now but with a max block size of 4mb, 8mb, etc) 15:29 < _Iriez> for example, my node currently averages around 1.5gb memory usage on 13.2 15:29 < _Iriez> is it safe to assume a doubling of memory usage for a doubling of blocksize under the same conditions? 15:30 < gmaxwell> No. 15:31 < sipa> the memory usage needed for 'optimal performance' will likely double in some amount of time regardless 15:32 < sipa> the amount of time that this takes is likely influenced by the block size 15:32 < gmaxwell> it may do that much faster with a larger blocksize. But the size itself may only increase memory usage by a moderate amount. 15:34 < _Iriez> I dont mean the limit, I mean (mostly) full, such as now. 15:35 < _Iriez> sipa: regardless as in without a BS increase? This makes sense as the UTXO will be higher the further we go without SW activated, if im assuming correctly. 15:35 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@wsip-24-120-54-28.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37 < sipa> _Iriez: even with SW activated 15:38 -!- ipwn [~ipwn@bl18-232-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38 < _Iriez> But much more without it activated, correct? Wont that substantially increase utxo due to mempool increasing with "backlog" ? 15:38 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38 -!- ipwn [~ipwn@bl18-232-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:39 < sipa> what does the mempool have to do with this? 15:46 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@79.176.138.210.rev.vmobile.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:53 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:53 -!- ipwn [~ipwn@bl18-232-89.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59 -!- gHEr [~JHistone@cpc102320-sgyl38-2-0-cust380.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:59 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 16:01 -!- JHistone [~JHistone@cpc102320-sgyl38-2-0-cust380.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11 -!- JHistone [~JHistone@cpc102320-sgyl38-2-0-cust380.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:13 -!- gHEr [~JHistone@cpc102320-sgyl38-2-0-cust380.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:18 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:23 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:24 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@103.5.140.139] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:25 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-173-49-237-221.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:25 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:31 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:31 -!- NicolasDorier [sid129442@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ynrpbxyxmwbpsjke] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31 -!- NicolasDorier [sid129442@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gosisbbvxbxovtuf] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:32 -!- a5m0 [~a5m0@unaffiliated/a5m0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33 -!- a5m0 [~a5m0@unaffiliated/a5m0] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:37 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40 -!- c0rw1n_ is now known as c0rw1n 16:47 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:51 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:53 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nqxskwqgpmoyrkaf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:56 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:57 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-25-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:11 -!- snubnose38 [~snubnose3@176.42.92.108] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:11 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:12 -!- snubnose38 [~snubnose3@176.42.92.108] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27 -!- yorick_ is now known as yorick 17:29 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdjduihkmijhdtgg] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:31 -!- itsme [~textual@94.242.205.36] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:37 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gdrxecfhstpkvnpo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:08 -!- HostFat__ [~HostFat@host183-144-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:08 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:09 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:11 -!- HostFat_ [~HostFat@host26-131-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:23 -!- atgreen [~green@CPE10da438ecb59-CM00fc8d24cab0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:33 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgxgwhhqvzjhnhoz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:34 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:38 -!- se3000 [~textual@38.125.163.3] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:17 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@c-73-189-234-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz...] 19:17 -!- pedrovian_ [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:21 -!- pedrovian [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:40 -!- LIERO__ [~LIERO@unaffiliated/liero] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50 -!- pedrovian_ [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51 -!- pedrovian [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:57 -!- _rht [uid86914@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-odcmjmhwcoajazbd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:10 -!- pedrovian [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15 -!- LIERO__ [~LIERO@unaffiliated/liero] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:15 -!- pedrovian [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:18 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:19 -!- pedrovian [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24 -!- pedrovian [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:29 -!- pedrovian [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...] 20:31 -!- pedrovian [~pedrovian@8.27.210.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:39 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@cpe-70-114-192-114.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:46 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-50-159-126-21.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@58.137.128.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:06 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:07 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:18 < _Iriez> sipa: perhaps my reasoning was incorrect, but I thought with SW not activated we would continue to see full blocks, which would increase utxo. I figured the mempool would grow as well, which obviously has a memory footprint? Forgive me if im incorrect, im trying to understand the process as well as I can. 21:21 < sipa> _Iriez: i expect we'll always see full blocks 21:21 < sipa> regardless of block size, or SW 21:21 < sipa> people will find uses for whatever space is available 21:22 < sipa> and the mempool is limited in size to whatever you set it 21:22 < sipa> since 0.13 21:23 < _Iriez> Oh, sorry, I thought it was unbounded to the physical limitation of your RAM 21:23 < _Iriez> I assumed it would go up as utxo increases 21:25 < sipa> nah, the mempool is just your node's expectation of what's going to be confirmed in the near future 21:25 < sipa> you can run without a mempool even if you're not interested in unconfirmed transactions 21:26 * _Iriez nods 21:26 < _Iriez> Thanks for the clarifications. 21:28 < _Iriez> "Empowered by their own sources of information and their own interpretations of research, doubters have declared war on the consensus of experts. " 21:28 < _Iriez> sound familiar ? ;) 21:28 < _Iriez> http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/science-doubters/achenbach-text?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=link_fb20170119ngm-doubtscience&utm_campaign=Content&sf51875370=1 21:28 < _Iriez> good article. 21:32 -!- _Iriez is now known as Iriez 21:35 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-50-159-126-21.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:43 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-50-159-126-21.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48 -!- itsme [~textual@94.242.205.36] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:48 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-50-159-126-21.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:55 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-50-159-126-21.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-173-49-237-221.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:04 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@cpe-70-114-192-114.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:4099:2032:8d86:4b00:baf] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:15 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-konkfvkpvxooncxq] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:25 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:4099:2032:8d86:4b00:baf] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:36 -!- edvorg [~edvorg@14.169.37.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:39 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wgxgwhhqvzjhnhoz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:42 -!- fibonacci is now known as FibonacciCoin 22:43 -!- FibonacciCoin [uid136497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsocbghhuqfkxpbx] has quit [Changing host] 22:43 -!- FibonacciCoin [uid136497@unaffiliated/goldenangle] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:43 -!- FibonacciCoin [uid136497@unaffiliated/goldenangle] has quit [Changing host] 22:43 -!- FibonacciCoin [uid136497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsocbghhuqfkxpbx] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:46 -!- jtimon [~quassel@245.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:00 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-50-159-126-21.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:07 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:09 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lmxvhweollljsrhc] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:11 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:12 -!- lclc [~lclc@unaffiliated/lclc] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:23 -!- lmacken [~lewk@fedora/lmacken] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:45 -!- cjamthagen [~user@h-88-153.a230.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Tue Jan 31 00:00:20 2017