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04:22 < stevenroose> Can scripts inspect outputs of a tx?
04:23 < stevenroose> F.e. an output that can be spent in any transaction that has an output matching a certain condition?
04:24 < sipa> no
04:25 < stevenroose> That could serve as a very interesting replay attack prevention tool. An output that can be spent if the exact same output is produced again with the same amount. You could create some of those with small values from BTU-mined outputs. Then people would be able to send BTU's without the ability for the txs to be replayed, just by including one of those outputs and creating them again :)
04:25 < stevenroose> Otherwise replay attack prevention would be cumbersome, you'd have to get your hands on BTU-only coins first
04:26 < sipa> that's called a covenant :)
04:26 < sipa> and it has very interesting properties
04:26 < sipa> though i'm not convinced you need it for this purpose
04:27 < stevenroose> oh I read something about covenants recently.. I didn't fully understand them, though.. Let me find that piece again
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04:44 < stevenroose> sipa, you don't need it, but it'd make it easier I think.. It is not possible to have replay prevention without mixing in new coins, right?
04:44 < stevenroose> afaik there is no way to inspect the chain in anyway
04:57 < stevenroose> About the covenants piece by Blockstream (Russel), what's the reason for the indirect way of crafting a message and verifying if the signature is valid together with OP_CHECKSIG? Is the only reason because currently OP_CHECKSIG is the only opcode that has a view on the transaction?
04:58 < stevenroose> Especially for Elements, where new opcodes are to be experimented with, I would think a more favorable approach would be to deprecate OP_CHECKSIG for a combination of some OP_GETSOMETXDATA and OP_CHECKSIGFROMSTACK
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09:03 < danrobinson> stevenroose: yes, as I understand it, that's why Russell used OP_CHECKSIGFROMSTACK. OP_CHECKSIGFROMSTACK and OP_CAT were already in the Elements Alpha toolkit; he was trying to do covenants without inventing new opcodes (like OP_TXSIGHASH or OP_CHECKOUTPUT).
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10:31 < stevenroose> danrobinson, yeah I know, and it makes sense to make as little as possible changes
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10:35 < danrobinson> I'm not sure there would be a reason to deprecate OP_CHECKSIG and OP_CHECKSIGVERIFY even if you did have OP_TXSIGHASH, OP_CHECKSIGFROMSTACK, and OP_CHECKSIGFROMSTACKVERIFY. You waste a byte in a very common case.
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10:48 < danrobinson> (although to be fair, in our protocol at Chain we did exactly that: https://chain.com/docs/protocol/specifications/vm1#txsighash)
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13:06 < ryan-c`> sipa: do you have stats on compressed vs uncompressed key usage anywhere public?
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13:14 < sipa> ryan-c`: no, it was a few % uncompressed at most, last time i looked
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13:16 < ryan-c`> sipa: did you just run an ad hoc thing looking at transactions as they came in over the network?
13:16 < ryan-c`> i saw you mention stats in some meeting notes i found
13:18 < sipa> yes
13:20 < ryan-c`> sipa: Okay, thanks.
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18:10 < nicolagreco> did anyone try to make a spv work on an sgx?
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18:11 < bsm1175321> Why would you want to?  (No not me, but can you be more specific?)
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