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05:46 < aguyonabike> Hi, I was wondering if Segwit could be changed to be covert-asicboost-compatible? The way I figure this could be done is similar to the extension blocks proposal, adding a special transaction "at the end" instead of using coinbase for the witness commit
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05:52 < luke-jr> aguyonabike: it doesn't matter where the commitment is
05:52 < luke-jr> you could drop the commitment altogether, but that'd open up DoS attacks
05:53 < luke-jr> you could also drop the txid commitment with a HF, but that would break some of the benefits of segwit
05:53 < luke-jr> in any case, making it covert-ASICBoost-compatible would be a bad thing even if it could be done
05:55 < sipa> i disagree partially
05:55 < sipa> segwit's goal is not to fix asicboost
05:56 < sipa> i think those should be treated as independent improvements
05:56 < sipa> however, i don't see a way to do segwit in a softfork compatible sane way that doesn't break covert asicboost
05:56 < sipa> the commitment has to go somewhere
05:57 < aguyonabike> agree it's a bad thing. maybe I don't understand asicboost' hash collision correctly; but if the rightmost part is the one that gets shuffled for hash collisions, you still have some additional work because of including the commitment there, but can reuse some work
05:58 < sipa> i don't think so
05:58 < sipa> the collision search that makes it efficient breaks down as soon as there is any commitment in the tree
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06:48 < adiabat> question about DER encoding -- seems every non-segwit tx I broadcast to testnet3 is getting malleated recently
06:48 < adiabat> here's a modified signature: 493046022100aa9b63288749ef889921c257d26a46ff4007990b5e720f5c3b2ec08039717dc3022100d312c22042c1e7e3fe2c1a558c28b9078bbdaf1b72648282320b32374230e35d012102308b1f5e1dc97e701bdf67a2d55292bd02ed9235608bccabe3070936315dab80
06:49 < adiabat> why doen't bip66 make this invalid...?
06:50 < sipa> that doesn't look invalid to me
06:50 < adiabat> here's the signature I generated: 483045022100aa9b63288749ef889921c257d26a46ff4007990b5e720f5c3b2ec08039717dc302202ced3ddfbd3e181c01d3e5aa73d746f72ef12dcb3ce41db98dc72c558e055de4012102308b1f5e1dc97e701bdf67a2d55292bd02ed9235608bccabe3070936315dab80
06:50 < adiabat> the extra 00 byte is OK?  huh.
06:51 < sipa> i'm confused
06:52 < adiabat> me too :)  I broadcast the 4830... signature
06:52 < sipa> well bip66 doesn't even try to fix malleability
06:52 < sipa> its goal was to require a strict encoding for signature data
06:53 < adiabat> ok sure but I thought that it would prevent this lenthening of the sencond value here
06:53 < sipa> my brain's DER parse is a bit rusty :)
06:53 < adiabat> clearly it doesn't, right... I just want to understand more about exactly what malleability is happening and if it's the miner or any random node doing it
06:54 < adiabat> it seems pretty reliable in that every non-segwit txid changes
06:54 < adiabat> so someone is having fun on testnet3
06:57 < adiabat> Or is bip146 (low-s) not activated on testnet?  maybe it's just that
07:10 < sipa> sec, trying to parse
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07:14 < sipa> ok, i was confused by the pubkey at the end
07:14 < sipa> that's indeed just a high-s signature
07:14 < sipa> maybe the block is produced by a non-segwit miner?
07:14 < sipa> does a segwit node accept that chain?
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07:26 < adiabat> yeah all nodes seem to accept it; it's confirmed in tx 17f3a89657d6b3e27fcfcaddfca705af6ff193da0c3a6213c1aa03df220d9d91, height 1118918
07:27 < adiabat> that block has what looks like a witness commitment...
07:27 < adiabat> yeah, seems like there are legit segwit txs in that block
07:28 < adiabat> also it was reliable last night; every tx with a non-segwit input was getting confirmed with a different txid
07:30 < adiabat> well, all the more reason to not use non-segwit inputs I suppose :)
07:32 < sipa> bip147 is about the dummy element in checkmultisig
07:32 < sipa> not low-s
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07:35 < adiabat> right 146 is low-s... anyway I hadn't realized it wasn't active on testnet
07:36 < adiabat> even as policy I guess?
07:36 < adiabat> nullfail is enforced though, as policy but not consensus, I'm pretty sure about that one
07:41 < sipa> bip146 never was proposed for deployment
07:41 < sipa> (though it took me a while to remember that)
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08:05 < adiabat> not worth it?  But might as well do it as policy at least, similar to nullfail
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08:28 < instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8533#issuecomment-243973512
08:28 < instagibbs> low-s is enforced by policy already?
08:28 < instagibbs> (oh testnet, unsure)
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