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https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-April/014227.html 09:45 < yoleaux> [bitcoin-dev] Small Nodes: A Better Alternative to Pruned Nodes 09:46 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:49 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:49 -!- MoALTz [~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:52 < vega4> quick question: when calculating appropriate blockSize/blockCreation ratio; what number of hops for block propagation should one assume? 09:56 < vega4> I mean I need the number of hops to assess the time needed for a block to propagate through two most distant points in the network. for example when 1 black is created in europe and the other one in new zeland. taken certain average connection speed between miners 10:15 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@5ED2CA1D.cm-7-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:19 -!- MoALTz_ is now known as MoALTz 10:20 -!- 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connection] 11:27 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:31 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@5ED2CA1D.cm-7-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:34 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:46 -!- skeuomorf [~skeuomorf@unaffiliated/skeuomorf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50 < Taek> vega4: I don't have a super strong grasp on the topogy, but most miners are hooked up to a highly specialized network. Either the Relay Network or FIBRE 11:51 < Taek> They are low hop count networks optimized around preforwarding as much data as possible and getting headers around the world very quickly 11:52 < vega4> okey;P I need to do some ovaluations for my new paper have a few hours left.... but after looking at SAFE Coin; I came to realise that it is better not to publish any results just to say that it works 11:52 < Taek> well under a second 11:54 < vega4> am I to write in my paper that I get a bottleneck at 100 000 simultanous connections due to a block size limit;sounds like a con.... hell I wonder if they've even thought about such things in Safe net; well I forgot... they give out reards on a lottery 11:56 < vega4> I've read just first few pages on bitcoin talk...elite members writing that it is a prominent coin... no questions related to bottlenecks protocol.nothing strange environment it is 11:56 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-czxztfhfiybfpjqp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:57 < vega4> thay've already filed for 15 patents; as soon as I'm node I NEED to see it 11:57 < Taek> I've never even heard of it fwiw. And where are you getting the number 100 000 for number of simultaneous connections? 11:57 < Taek> oy vey. Patented cryptocurrency is entirely worthless 11:57 < vega4> sure it is 11:58 < vega4> yet they get millions of usd in funding 11:58 < Taek> what's the point of decentralization if a court can order you to stop using the software? 11:58 < vega4> well why 100 000 you ask 11:58 < vega4> well.. the number differs 11:58 < vega4> based on path length 11:58 < vega4> path variations in time 11:59 < vega4> the more intermediaries the bigger onion structure in my protocol and the onio structure contains encrypted IDs of intermediaries 11:59 < vega4> and that little thing among with few others need to get into the BC 12:01 < Taek> ok. My intuition tells me that if you were to deploy some sort of test network you would get very different numbers 12:01 < vega4> hell; In my protocol I cointed the term state-less channel xd wait and you will see 12:01 < vega4> like what? 12:02 < vega4> what kind of numbers do you have in mind 12:02 < vega4> blocksize 18MB interval 8 minuts 12:03 < Taek> not sure, but 100k seems very optimistic 12:03 < vega4> haha 12:03 < vega4> tell me what numbers did you have in mind 12:03 < vega4> yes IT IS sort of optimistic;d 12:03 < vega4> ..... 12:04 < vega4> let me get back to my simulation and you tell me what numbers you had in mind;P 12:05 -!- marcoagner [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/marcoagner] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:05 < vega4> in my protocl you can get well over 500 000 simulatenous connections if there is 1 HOP and 1 path changes/hour ;d 12:06 < vega4> traffic overhead at 41% 12:06 < vega4> 49% I mean 41% with some kind of optimisation 12:07 < Taek> I would need to understand the protocol better, including what hardware you are talking about. Perhaps best for me to wait to comment though until you are further along 12:07 < vega4> http://locayt.com/gridnet.pdf that was an intro 12:12 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@5ED2CA1D.cm-7-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:21 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-235-26.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:23 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:34 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-54-206.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:39 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:43 -!- marcoagner [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/marcoagner] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:45 -!- marcoagner [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/marcoagner] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:47 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:49 -!- thrmo_ [~thrmo@unaffiliated/thrmo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:50 -!- thrmo [~thrmo@unaffiliated/thrmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:50 -!- thrmo_ is now known as thrmo 12:55 -!- bodkan [~bodkan@p54BD6DA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:55 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:00 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:01 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:04 -!- moli_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:11 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:13 -!- molz_ [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:15 -!- kankles [~kankles@104.200.154.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:15 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:32 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:33 -!- MoALTz [~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35 -!- harrymm [~wayne@104.237.91.35] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:39 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:39 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:45 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:52 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@5ED2CA1D.cm-7-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:03 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:32 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:33 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 14:42 -!- _flow_ [flow@star.geekplace.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:45 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:47 -!- _flow_ [flow@star.geekplace.eu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:50 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:01 -!- bodkan [~bodkan@p54BD6DA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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