--- Log opened Thu Jun 29 00:00:35 2017 00:11 -!- MaxSan [~one@46.19.137.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:16 < sipa> this is very confusing 00:16 < sipa> you have a server secret s, a client public key C (presumably with associated client private key c), and you want to produce a derived public key D from that? 00:17 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@dhcp-215-24.vpn.tu-berlin.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:17 < sipa> with what information are you allowed to find the corresponding derived private key d? 00:19 < sipa> s + C = D, s + c = d? 00:19 < sipa> that sounds like pay-to-contract 00:19 -!- harrymm1 [~wayne@223.206.167.217] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:20 < sipa> d = H(s || C) + c, D = H(s || C) * G + C 00:21 -!- harrymm [~wayne@60-249-19-76.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:21 < sipa> you could simulate it with BIP32 by making s the derivation path 00:21 < sipa> but that would be many times less efficient than P2C 00:21 -!- MaxSan [~one@46.19.137.116] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:24 -!- arowser [~quassel@45.32.248.113] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:24 -!- harrymm1 [~wayne@223.206.167.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:25 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@199.178.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33 -!- Dizzle_ [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:6032:cc45:6232:b44e:85de] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:39 -!- harrymm [~wayne@211-22-154-35.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:41 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ubltmaldgimjxmco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:54 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:02 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:12 < runeks> sipa: The private key d should not be derivable from any/all of s, C or D. s is a hash of a root private key, and from this root private key d can be derived knowing only C (and, implicitly, s since it's a hash of this root private key), and D should be derivable from s and C alone. 01:16 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:16 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@188.94.18.118] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:18 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:18 < runeks> If we assume s is 256 bit, and then we SHA256 the client pubkey C to get an additional 256 bit number. Then we could use a soft child key with a derivation path of 16 (2x256 bit split into 16 32-bit key indexes) key indexes to get D. Would that be terribly inefficient? 01:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:22 < MaxSan> Is there a way to handle a trustless boarding process to the lightning network to get the final new third party using some sort of split key generation method? 01:22 < runeks> Hmm. I don't think there's a need for s anyway. I can just use an extended public key as s, and keep that secret. 01:24 < runeks> And use SHA256(C) split into 8 consecutive key indexes as the child key which contains D. 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