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ZZZzzz…] 09:05 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:22 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:23 -!- Aaronva__ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:26 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:28 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:32 < Raccoon> About how large are bitcoin's balance tables today, once the blockchain has been traversed and verified? 09:39 < arubi> gettxoutsetinfo says just about 2gb 09:40 -!- smk [~chroot@unaffiliated/smk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:41 < Raccoon> dang. that large? 09:41 < Raccoon> Is that just public bitcoin addresses and their holdings; address=value pairs? 09:43 < arubi> it's utxos, so prevtxid, index.. etc. #bitcoin? 09:44 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:44 < Raccoon> I can't speak in #bitcoin because I've been shitlisted by midmag for being owner of ##bitcoin. Can we speak in here or ##bitcoin 09:45 -!- smk [~chroot@unaffiliated/smk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45 -!- Aaronva__ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45 -!- smk [~chroot@94.126.251.77] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46 -!- smk is now known as Guest31383 09:46 < arubi> so ##bitcoin is better 09:46 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46 < Raccoon> I didn't say that 09:46 -!- smak [~chroot@94.126.251.77] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46 -!- Guest31383 [~chroot@94.126.251.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:47 < arubi> no, I just mean, let's continue there 09:47 -!- smak [~chroot@94.126.251.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47 < Raccoon> What happened to this channel? 09:47 -!- smak [~chroot@94.126.251.77] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:48 -!- smak [~chroot@94.126.251.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48 < Raccoon> I am curious the logistics of creating a balance sheet side-chain blockchain, and technical aspects of that 09:48 < Raccoon> theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies 09:49 < arubi> oh sorry, I thought your question wasn't about that kind of topic 09:50 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:51 < arubi> sure, Raccoon , I don't know much about what you're asking. I'm usually around here just lurking and listening to cool ideas people bring up :) 09:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:51 < Raccoon> the idea would be multi-fold. allowing clients to opt for varying levels of participation in blockchain verification. and if there were a balance sheet blockchain, linked to the regular blockchain, how trusted would it be after N blocks have been hashed and signed 09:52 < Raccoon> then newly downloaded clients wouldn't necessarily have to download the entire blockchain since genesis 09:53 < Raccoon> I'd like to know what a pubaddress=holdings table would be, stripped of txids 09:54 < Raccoon> in terms of size 09:54 < Raccoon> compared to one with txids and info required to complete transactions 09:57 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 10:00 < adlai> Raccoon: your idea has some overlap with UTXO commitments, are you familiar with those? 10:00 -!- raphieson [~raphieson@23.226.129.78] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:00 < raphieson> https://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21725598-compromise-over-currencys-future-may-not-last-making-bitcoin-work-better 10:00 < Raccoon> I am not. Where is that used or explored 10:01 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/bitcoin/utxo-commitments-or-fraud-proofs.stdout.txt 10:01 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2017/scaling-and-utxos/ 10:01 < Raccoon> raphieson: is that an op ed or a whitepaper? 10:01 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2017-07-08-bram-cohen-merkle-sets/ 10:01 < raphieson> it is theoretical ideas 10:02 < kanzure> let me know if you want more utxo set commitment links. 10:02 < Raccoon> thanks kanzure 10:03 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:04 < raphieson> theoretically speaking "And the winners among them will be those currencies that can adapt their rules without having strong rulers." 10:06 < betawaffle> fyi, raphieson is EarlyGrey ^ (sorry sam) 10:06 < raphieson> what? 10:06 < raphieson> are you trying to be a little narc? 10:07 < raphieson> that usually doesnt work out so well in this space 10:08 < raphieson> why dont you scurry on back to your hole andmind your own business. 10:09 < Raccoon> > Reinventing memory management for fun and profit ... cheeky :) 10:10 < nsh> raphieson, not here. 10:14 < Raccoon> kanzure: are there any current movements on implementation? 10:14 < kanzure> https://github.com/proofchains/python-proofmarshal/blob/master/proofmarshal/merbinnertree.py 10:14 < kanzure> https://github.com/bramcohen/MerkleSet 10:15 < kanzure> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3977 10:15 < Raccoon> by movement, I mean plans for adoption by Bitcoin Core 10:19 < raphieson> A choice that is to go live in just four days when the bitcoin network undergoes its first hardfork chain-split, opening the decision to the free market, the ultimate 51%. 10:19 < raphieson> ok 2 10:20 -!- mode/#bitcoin-wizards [+o kanzure] by ChanServ 10:20 <@kanzure> raphieson: stay on topic or get out 10:20 < raphieson> ok how about theoretically we talk about the PoW change needed 10:21 < raphieson> i would love to know what is being discussed 10:24 < raphieson> hello? nobody knows anything? 10:25 < raphieson> i thought this is wizards you are like in harry potter preschool training wizard 10:25 <@kanzure> try harder. 10:26 < raphieson> kanzure what happens if bcc becomes XBT, i read an article about that 10:26 <@kanzure> are you really incapable of high quality trolling? geeze. 10:26 -!- raphieson was kicked from #bitcoin-wizards by kanzure [raphieson] 10:29 -!- _Sam-- [~s@unaffiliated/greybits] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:30 -!- Guyver2_ [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:32 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:32 < _Sam--> just so you know there is a high probability that XBT will become BCC. you can read for yourself. http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/07/29/xbt-etn-will-support-bitcoin-cash-becomes-dominant-coin 10:33 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:33 -!- Guyver2_ is now known as Guyver2 10:35 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwcgegwucdlshzax] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:38 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:39 < _Sam--> kanzure, if XBT becomes BCC which is currently the internationally recognized symbol for BTC, how does that affect option? or the only options you ever right are for bitcoin core coin? is this laid out in the CFTC stuff? 10:44 < _Sam--> kanzure, your name sounds like cancer which is what you are like to this industry 10:47 -!- uvarovserge [~uvarovser@177.74.240.4] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:52 < nsh> this is for #bitcoin, not here 10:52 < nsh> or even not at all, but definitely not here 10:52 < _Sam--> we'lre all a community 10:52 < _Sam--> im in it, he's in it. 10:53 < nsh> and this is a low noise channel for on-topic conversation, which you can respect or go away 10:53 < _Sam--> the topic relates to him, he writes options. 10:53 < nsh> take a hint 10:54 < _Sam--> look just because you worked with Gmaxwell at wikipedia doesnt mean you have to be a cock 11:12 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:16 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:25 -!- alferz [~alferz@unaffiliated/alfer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:27 -!- Aranjedeath [~Aranjedea@unaffiliated/aranjedeath] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:47 -!- alferz [~alferz@unaffiliated/alfer] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:03 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:11 < waxwing> may be of interest to some here: https://breaking-bitcoin.com/ 12:11 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 12:12 < Emcy_> 100 euro? 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