--- Log opened Tue Aug 08 00:00:43 2017 00:00 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:26 -!- rmwb_ [~rmwb@129.180.73.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28 < fluffypony> sn0wmonster: yes - it's really useful for use in the next Jurassic Park movie ;) 00:29 < sn0wmonster> fluffypony, i wish they went more for a Gibson hack theme. SHEEEENG. SHOOONG. 00:29 < fluffypony> LOL 00:30 < Emcy_> its a unix system i know this 00:57 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-foaxdnomacflmlxw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:11 -!- uiuc-slack4 [~uiuc-slac@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11 -!- uiuc-slack [~uiuc-slac@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:26 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@188.94.18.118] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:35 -!- MaxSan [~one@109.163.226.153] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:37 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:47 -!- MaxSan [~one@109.163.226.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:51 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:54 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:57 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@188.94.18.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:59 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@remote.birchwoodpark.co.uk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:16 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:27 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.73.6] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:33 -!- MaxSan [~one@109.163.226.153] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:42 -!- vics [~vics@eeek.mooo.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:49 -!- kristofferR [~kristoffe@168.37-191-169.fiber.lynet.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 02:58 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@remote.birchwoodpark.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.73.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:09 -!- Jaamg [jhpiloma@gateway/shell/tkk.fi/x-mrjdafdlbsdgusfp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:10 -!- Jaamg [jhpiloma@gateway/shell/tkk.fi/x-tbhxfjztesqgdjsu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:13 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@188.94.18.118] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:17 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@unaffiliated/jrayhawk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:17 -!- jrayhawk [~jrayhawk@unaffiliated/jrayhawk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:18 -!- comboy_ [~quassel@tesuji.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:19 -!- comboy [~quassel@tesuji.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:46 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:58 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:f886:e717:3336:750d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:01 -!- negatratoron [~negatrato@c-73-65-112-208.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:08 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:11 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:25 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 04:30 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:f886:e717:3336:750d] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:31 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:33 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:36 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:39 -!- berndj [~berndj@mail.azna.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:41 -!- berndj [~berndj@mail.azna.co.za] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:45 -!- MaxSan [~one@109.163.226.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:47 -!- itsme_ [~textual@x4d04d010.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:07 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:07 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-169-198-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-169-198-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:09 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:28 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.73.6] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:30 -!- Aaronvan_ is now known as AaronvanW 05:34 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:36 -!- Aaronvan_ is now known as AaronvanW_ 05:36 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:37 < stevenroose> Can a coinbase transaction have multiple inputs? 05:38 < sipa> no 05:40 < stevenroose> sipa: just for my understanding, is there a reason why it couldn't have more than one? or is it just because the consensus enforced that from the start? 05:40 -!- AaronvanW_ is now known as AaronvanW 05:41 < gmaxwell> it could have been. 05:41 < sipa> well, depending on what definition you use, they may have 0 inputs 05:41 < gmaxwell> If it were up to me I would change it to allow inputs in any hardfork. 05:41 < sipa> they have a coinbase input 05:41 < gmaxwell> and allow them to spend other coinbase outputs without maturity limits. 05:42 < sipa> stevenroose: do you mean supporting multiple dummy inputs (like the one now), or 1 dummy input and multiple normal ones? 05:43 < stevenroose> 1 coinbase input (like outpoint 0x00) and other normal ones 05:43 < sipa> yes, i think that would have been reasonable 05:45 < stevenroose> I'm sure it's been thought about, but an easy way to fight spam attacks is to delay fee payout to the next block (or some blocks) by a soft fork change that requires the fee amount to be spent to a dummy output that can only be spent in the next block's coinbase input f.e. 05:46 < stevenroose> that could break some parts of the incentivation mechanism for fees though 05:46 < stevenroose> f.e. if there is a race between a low-fee immediately spendable tx and a higher-fee tx locktimed in some blocks 05:46 < stevenroose> if you don't claim the fee for yourself, it might be better to not include the immediately spendable one 05:47 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:48 < stevenroose> could break lightning channel closing txs I think if a locktimed tx with a higher fee can reasonable win the race against an immediately spendable normal fee tx 05:49 < stevenroose> anyways, thanks 05:49 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:01 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.73.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:03 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:07 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:07 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-foaxdnomacflmlxw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:11 < betawaffle> hmm, gmaxwell, why drop the maturity limits? 06:12 < stevenroose> betawaffle: because I guess the new outputs they create will have a fresh maturity limit which is longer.. 06:12 < betawaffle> oh, right 06:13 < stevenroose> it would allow for schemes like I described where some coinbase outputs are only supposed to be spent by other coinbase txs 06:14 < sipa> it effectively creates two classes of money; a general purpose one which is available everywhere, and an immature class which can only be spent and created by coinbases 06:14 < betawaffle> hard, you beat me to tfhe... 06:14 < betawaffle> s/hard/damn/ 06:14 < sipa> it enables things like pay forward schemes where not all the subsidy goes to the first miner 06:15 < stevenroose> ^^ 06:16 < betawaffle> how does a coinbase output get proved to an SPV client? 06:16 < betawaffle> does it need the whole block? 06:17 < sipa> what property of it gets proved 06:17 < betawaffle> the value 06:17 < stevenroose> the inclusion proof is exactly the same 06:17 < sipa> betawaffle: you just show the tx 06:17 < sipa> the amounts are in the outputs 06:18 < betawaffle> ok, so SPV doesn't normally get a "value" proof, just an inclusion proof? 06:18 < sipa> yes 06:18 < sipa> spv clients don't have a utxo set 06:18 < sipa> you can't prove unspentness 06:18 < betawaffle> what would an attacker need to do to defraud an SPV wallet? 06:19 < sipa> mine an invalid tx into a block 06:19 < stevenroose> a value proof is hard. I mean for a normal tx you could also prove the existence of the inputs, which will have more work than the tx being proven, but without a proof that it's not spent before, it makes no sense 06:19 < betawaffle> just one block, right? 06:19 < sipa> yes 06:19 < stevenroose> betawaffle: depends on the trust level of the SPV wallet, no? 06:19 < Chris_Stewart_5> betawaffle: an example of sipa's attack is having two coinbase txs in a block 06:19 < betawaffle> i can't figure out how people trust SPV 06:19 < stevenroose> some SPV clients could also wait for a second block 06:20 < sipa> betawaffle: s/SPV/miners/ 06:20 < betawaffle> :) 06:20 < sipa> SPV is a process 06:20 < stevenroose> if you provide inclusion proof in block plus 5 more blocks with sufficient work that chain from that block, you have a pretty decent proof 06:20 < sipa> the trust it relies upon is that miners don't mine invalid blocks 06:21 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:21 < betawaffle> for a miner to defraud an SPV wallet, would the wallet need to be pulling directly from the miner? 06:21 < betawaffle> (or network of nodes the miner controls) 06:21 < sipa> yes 06:21 < sipa> though that's kinda trivial 06:21 < stevenroose> or that it is economically unfeasable to create a fork of X blocks just to defraud you 06:21 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:22 -!- MaxSan [~one@109.163.226.153] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:23 < stevenroose> sipa: are SPV clients traditionally aware of the longest chain? 06:23 < betawaffle> sipa: for people who already trust miners (via SPV), would they not get more security from a pruned full node snapshot (from a trustworthy source)? 06:24 < betawaffle> or would it still be hard for them to discover fraud in that snapshot? 06:24 < sipa> betawaffle: if they're fine with the resource costs of running a full node, sure 06:24 < sipa> betawaffle: and only going forward 06:24 < sipa> you can't verify a utxo snapshot without seeing all of history that lead up to it 06:25 < sipa> (in MW you can, though!) 06:25 < stevenroose> if an SPV client is totally unaware of the longest chain, when the network is at block 100k and the client is receiving a transaction from an utxo in block 1000, the difficulty at that time could would allow a miner to cheaply create 1001' to 1006' where they double spend the utxo and send that as a proof 06:25 < betawaffle> sure, but would it not be possible to eventually see discrepancies with future blocks? 06:25 < sipa> betawaffle: no 06:26 < betawaffle> you'd just fork off the network, right? 06:26 < sipa> indeed 06:26 < sipa> the UTXO set you have stored is fully trusted 06:26 < sipa> if someome were to be able to give you an arbitrary snapshot, they can make you believe anything 06:28 < betawaffle> is there any computation someone can do on the blockchain history to prove the validity of the UTXO set without the proof being larger than the blockchain history? 06:28 < sipa> define validity 06:29 < stevenroose> betawaffle: "without the prove being *larger* than the blockchain history", yes: the blockchain history ;) 06:29 < sipa> if your question is "could this utxo set reasonably have been the result of some blockchain", the answer is yes 06:29 < betawaffle> well, that a fully validating node wouldn't ever disagree with the proof 06:29 < kanzure> "without the proof being larger than the blockchain history?" snarks 06:29 < sipa> if your question is "is this utxo set the result of a specific blockchain which i have not seen?" obviously no 06:30 -!- MaxSan [~one@109.163.226.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:30 < betawaffle> what if you have a trusted block header? 06:30 < sipa> if your question is "is this utxo set the result of a blockchain history for which i know the headers"... yes, with moon math and infeasibly much computation 06:32 < sipa> MW gives you UTXO correctness proofs that scale linearly with the utxo set size + tx count 06:32 < sipa> but are smallee than the entirety of history 06:32 < kanzure> "trusted block header" that's cheating. 06:32 < sipa> kanzure: not at all 06:33 < sipa> kanzure: the question is dumb without it wven 06:33 < betawaffle> sorry for asking dumb questions :D 06:33 < sipa> you can't expect me to prove to you that X is the UTXO set of a chain that you know nothing about 06:34 -!- MaxSan [~one@91.214.169.69] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:34 < betawaffle> of course not 06:34 < sipa> or rather, that's trivial 06:34 < sipa> check whethee the sum of the amounts does not exceed 21M 06:34 < sipa> done. 06:34 < sipa> your utxo set is valid, congrats 06:35 < sipa> the question you want to ask whether it corresponds to a chain you already know about 06:35 < sipa> which implies having a trusted header 06:35 < betawaffle> yeah, that's what i meant to ask... 06:37 < betawaffle> if you trust a given header, it's infeasible to create an alternate list of past headers, correct? 06:37 < sipa> yes 06:37 < betawaffle> so a trusted header can be turned into a trusted header history, obviously 06:38 < stevenroose> by providing the whole history 06:38 < betawaffle> yep 06:38 < stevenroose> but that's exactly what a full node does, though. the trust of the header comes from the amount of work in that case 06:39 < betawaffle> stevenroose: no, a full node actually validates from the start 06:39 < betawaffle> it doesn't trust any header except i guess the genesis block 06:39 < stevenroose> ok true, my mistake 06:40 < stevenroose> that's what some full nodes do up to the latest checkpoint 06:40 < betawaffle> but of course... if you trust a header, you don't *need* to validate the past transactions. you'd only need to do that if you don't trust the header :/ 06:40 < sipa> hmm 06:40 < sipa> we're conflating two things 06:41 -!- MaxSan [~one@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41 < sipa> even a full node makes the assumptiom that it is able to *learn* about the best chain 06:42 < sipa> you clearly cannot prove to someone what the best chain is, as it relies on unobservable information 06:42 < stevenroose> true. hence, "trusted" header. which is normally not something you have 06:44 < sipa> so i think the question should be: can a node ask for a UTXO set and compact correctness proof for it, corresponding to a known best block hash X 06:44 < sipa> and i'm pretty sure the answer in bitcoin is no, except using moon math 06:45 < JackH> only relying on the longest chain has a few negative sides to it 06:45 < betawaffle> ok, so back to the UTXO set... would proof of inclusion for all unspent transactions prove that the utxo set is valid? (given a trusted header) 06:46 < sipa> no 06:46 < betawaffle> or would those proofs of inclusion be as large or larger than the blockchain 06:46 < betawaffle> ok 06:46 < betawaffle> what are the downsides to MW? 06:47 < sipa> it's not compatible with bitcoin 06:47 < betawaffle> (btw, please feel free to tell me to shut up if my questions are annoying you) 06:47 < kanzure> read http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2016-11-21-mimblewimble/ 06:47 < andytoshi> it also has much more exposure to EC math and does not support any explicit scripting (though this is seeming less like a disadvantage recently) 06:48 < andytoshi> and it comes with CT, which has a size/verification cost 06:50 < sipa> oh, yes 06:50 < sipa> i tend to forget those :) 06:51 < sipa> betawaffle: assume i give you an inclusion proof for every utxo's transaction 06:51 * betawaffle assumes 06:52 < sipa> betawaffle: you don't know anything about the signature validity of every tx that does not have an unspent output 06:52 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:53 < sipa> so even if it would prove that that is indeed the UTXO set corresponding to that chain, it does not prove that the chain is valid 06:53 < betawaffle> correct 06:54 < betawaffle> but if you do actually trust the header... would that not be enough to follow said chain? 06:55 < sipa> if you actually do trust the header, you should want a utxo commitment :) 06:55 < betawaffle> yeah, a utxo commitment would be nice, of course 06:55 < sipa> one question is whether you should trust a utxo commitment without seeing history 06:56 < sipa> because if you have seen history, you can just remember the utxo hash - no need for a commitment even 06:56 < betawaffle> sipa: i'm just trying to understand if anything can be done to improve the safety of people running SPV wallets in times of a fork like this 06:56 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 06:57 < betawaffle> people who just can't accept running a full-history-validating node 06:58 < betawaffle> i'm not worried about *myself* because i run a full node, it isn't too expensive for me 06:59 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:03 -!- itsme_ [~textual@x4d04d010.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 07:08 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:13 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:14 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@p5DC47C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:23 -!- smk [~chroot@unaffiliated/smk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:25 -!- smk [~chroot@unaffiliated/smk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25 -!- Guyver2_ [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:26 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:28 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:28 -!- Guyver2_ is now known as Guyver2 07:32 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:39 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@p5DC47C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 07:39 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:47 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:48 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:57 -!- prime___ [~quassel@ip-178-203-234-217.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:13 -!- smk [~chroot@unaffiliated/smk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:14 -!- smk [~chroot@unaffiliated/smk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14 -!- smk [~chroot@94.126.251.77] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:15 -!- smk is now known as Guest91604 08:15 -!- Guest91604 is now known as smak 08:21 -!- Aranjedeath [~Aranjedea@unaffiliated/aranjedeath] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:22 -!- smak [~chroot@94.126.251.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:36 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:38 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:45 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@188.94.18.118] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:49 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:51 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:03 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:09 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:31 -!- Aaronvan_ is now known as AaronvanW 09:43 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:57 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:01 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:03 -!- JackH [~laptop@217.149.140.177] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:32 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:33 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:34 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:38 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:39 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:41 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:54 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:04 -!- prime_ [~quassel@5.146.5.174] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:12 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:18 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:21 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:25 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:26 -!- jannes [~jannes@095-097-246-234.static.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27 -!- Aaronvan_ is now known as AaronvanW 11:31 -!- prime__ [~quassel@5.146.5.174] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:31 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:33 -!- jannes [~jannes@095-097-246-234.static.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:33 -!- prime_ [~quassel@5.146.5.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:39 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@68.168.119.228] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:40 -!- greygoose28 [~greygoose@ip-2-151-236.serverkeren.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:43 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:43 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:49 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@68.168.119.228] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:51 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:56 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56 < JackH> \0/ segwit is locked in 11:56 -!- echonaut [~echonaut@46.101.192.134] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:56 < betawaffle> \o/ 11:59 * eck parties 12:02 < kanzure> wrong channel 12:04 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:04 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:16 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:48 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-88-217-124-37.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:49 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:52 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:55 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:56 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:57 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:59 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:59 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has quit [Changing host] 12:59 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:01 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:02 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:02 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:14 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 13:14 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:18 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:27 -!- prime__ [~quassel@5.146.5.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:41 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:43 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:58 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-88-217-124-37.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:03 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-88-217-124-37.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:08 -!- greygoose28 [~greygoose@ip-2-151-236.serverkeren.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:09 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:11 -!- greygoose28 [~greygoose@ip-2-151-236.serverkeren.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:11 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:17 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:32 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:59 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sbmtdfprakjhnbse] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:02 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-72-83-36-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@static-100-38-216-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:04 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-72-83-36-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:11 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@p5DC47C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:14 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@p5DC47C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 15:14 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:25 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:28 -!- Aranjedeath [~Aranjedea@unaffiliated/aranjedeath] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:37 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:40 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:49 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:11 -!- jouke [~worst@unaffiliated/komkommer] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:11 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:12 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:13 -!- jouke [~worst@2001:1c02:1600:9200:7119:18a0:a794:e3e1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:13 -!- jouke [~worst@2001:1c02:1600:9200:7119:18a0:a794:e3e1] has quit [Changing host] 16:13 -!- jouke [~worst@unaffiliated/komkommer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:14 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:21 -!- aj [aj@cerulean.erisian.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:24 -!- Aranjedeath [~Aranjedea@unaffiliated/aranjedeath] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:24 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:30 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:37 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:47 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:59 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:03 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:04 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-88-217-124-37.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:06 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:10 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:10 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:41a7:74be:6528:7017:8f74] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:14 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:27 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sbmtdfprakjhnbse] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:33 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33 -!- Aranjedeath [~Aranjedea@unaffiliated/aranjedeath] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:33 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:44 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:56 -!- onabreak [55e4c13c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.228.193.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:58 -!- d9b4bef9 [~d9b4bef9@web501.webfaction.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:58 -!- danrobinson [~danrobins@2604:2000:e080:d400:6991:920c:4397:4d90] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:59 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:59 -!- [d__d] [~d__d]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59 -!- d9b4bef9 [~d9b4bef9@web501.webfaction.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:59 -!- [d__d] [~d__d]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:59 -!- yongu [~yongu@unaffiliated/yongu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:59 -!- [d__d] [~d__d]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00 -!- [d__d] [~d__d]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:00 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:00 -!- yongu [~yongu@45.76.118.157] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:00 -!- yongu [~yongu@45.76.118.157] has quit [Changing host] 18:00 -!- yongu [~yongu@unaffiliated/yongu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:01 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:01 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:04 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:09 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:14 -!- greygoose28 [~greygoose@ip-2-151-236.serverkeren.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:15 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@x2f7f314.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:15 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@x2f7f314.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Changing host] 18:15 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:21 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:27 -!- onabreak [55e4c13c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.228.193.60] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:30 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:33 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:42 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:e9f8:61d6:3ce0:6760] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@199.178.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:44 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:44 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:48 -!- rasengan [~rasengan@pdpc/corporate-sponsor/privateinternetaccess.com/rasengan] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 18:54 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:55 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-78-200-33.netcologne.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:55 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-78-200-33.netcologne.de] has quit [Changing host] 18:55 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:57 -!- alferz [~alferz@unaffiliated/alfer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:07 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:08 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:19 -!- alferz [~alferz@unaffiliated/alfer] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:24 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:28 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 19:45 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:46 < kanzure> "End-to-end prediction of buffer overruns from raw source code via neural memory networks" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.02458.pdf 19:47 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:48 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:51 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:41a7:74be:6528:7017:8f74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:41a7:74be:6528:7017:8f74] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:54 -!- Dizzle_ [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:41a7:e831:9e1b:af36:2f2e] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:57 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:41a7:74be:6528:7017:8f74] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:59 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:14 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@199.178.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:54 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:00 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:05 < kanzure> anti cargo culting http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/machine-learning/comprehensibility/ ( this one is fun: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/machine-learning/comprehensibility/Rationalizing%20neural%20predictions%20-%202016.pdf ) 21:05 < kanzure> (also fun: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ai/machine-learning/comprehensibility/A%20new%20method%20to%20visualize%20deep%20neural%20networks%20-%202017.pdf ) 21:06 < kanzure> unrelated eye candy: "StackGAN: Text to photo-realistic image synthesis with stacked generative adversarial networks" https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.03242 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1612.03242.pdf 21:07 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.73.6] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:14 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:14 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.73.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@199.178.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:26 -!- Raccoon [wayward@irchelp/raccoon] has quit [Quit: Just stay out of my wife!] 21:27 -!- Raccoon [wayward@irchelp/raccoon] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:31 -!- marcoagner [~user@187.113.131.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33 -!- danrobinson [~danrobins@2604:2000:e080:d400:6991:920c:4397:4d90] has quit [Quit: danrobinson] 21:40 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:40 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:44 -!- marcoagner [~user@179.177.245.14] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:58 -!- prime__ [~quassel@5.146.5.174] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:00 -!- Dizzle_ [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:41a7:e831:9e1b:af36:2f2e] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:02 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-28.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:09 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09 -!- rusty1 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:13 -!- rusty1 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:10 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:31 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:42 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:48 -!- JackH [~laptop@217.149.140.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53 -!- rockhouse [~rockhouse@unaffiliated/rockhouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Log closed Wed Aug 09 00:00:26 2017