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[~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:46 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:48 -!- praxeology [~praxeolog@cpe-76-187-87-73.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:50 -!- praxeology [~praxeolog@cpe-76-187-87-73.tx.res.rr.com] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 10:59 -!- huseby [~huseby@unaffiliated/huseby] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:02 < bsm117532> http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~salil/research/timelock.pdf 11:02 < bsm117532> "constructing time-lock puzzles with a “gap” between the work of the puzzle generator and the parallel time of the solver cannot be done in the random-oracle model." 11:04 < bsm117532> I'm looking for a way to measure time using a sequential operation (like a Rivest et al timelock) that does not have the trusted setup requirement and can be verified faster than it can be generated. 11:04 < bsm117532> Just in case anyone has any ideas... 11:07 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:09 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:11 -!- rusty1 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:12 < kanzure> what is a verification of a timeloc? 11:12 < kanzure> timelock? 11:13 -!- prime [~quassel@5.146.5.174] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:13 -!- prime is now known as Guest74321 11:15 < bsm117532> kanzure: Consider if someone gave you N=p*q as the product of two primes, which you will compute 2^2^t mod N by sequential squaring. I'm interested in the value t as a measurement of how long a computation took (e.g. a highly-parallelizable PoW computation) 11:15 < bsm117532> e.g. as a replacement for the timestamp field in a Bitcoin block header, which can be easily falsified and used in timewarp attacks. I want a direct proof of elapsed time instead. 11:16 -!- prime_ [~quassel@ip-178-203-235-176.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:16 < bsm117532> So, this is not a timelock, but uses the same algorithm for a different purpose... 11:17 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:17 < bsm117532> For reference, the Rivest et al algorithm: https://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/lcs35-puzzle-description.txt 11:20 < gmaxwell> bsm117532: using P Q you know the group order do you can just reduce mod that and compute it directly. :P 11:21 < bsm117532> gmaxwell: yes that is how you verify the "proof of time" if you know P and Q. The idea is that the person proving elapsed time does not know P and Q. 11:22 < bsm117532> So I'd prefer another algorithm that doesn't have this flaw... 11:25 < bsm117532> Otherwise you might invent some algorithm where a miner reveals P and Q to collect his coinbase and publishes N for the next miner...but I can see a lot of ways to cheat such a system. 11:29 -!- Guest41118 [~Hunger@zer0days.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:31 -!- Hunger- [~Hunger@zer0days.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:44 -!- fletom [~fletom@ec2-34-202-234-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:02 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:03 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:08 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:15 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:24 -!- jtimon [~quassel@173.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:27 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:31 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:32 -!- smk [d18015a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.128.21.162] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:33 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:37 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:42 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-79-41-20.netcologne.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:42 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-79-41-20.netcologne.de] has quit [Changing host] 12:42 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:49 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:55 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:57 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:36 -!- jtimon [~quassel@173.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:40 -!- airbreather [~airbreath@d149-67-99-43.nap.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:52 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@c-73-170-224-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: oleganza] 13:52 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:57 -!- sipa [~pw@2001:19f0:ac01:2fb:5400:ff:fe5b:c3ff] has quit [Changing host] 13:57 -!- sipa [~pw@unaffiliated/sipa1024] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:01 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@c-73-170-224-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:02 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:15 -!- Guest74321 [~quassel@5.146.5.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:21 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:23 -!- packetsmurf [~packet@96-66-250-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:24 -!- coinsmurf [~packet@96-66-250-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38 -!- smk [d18015a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.128.21.162] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:50 < Taek> mining pools that make out-of-band deals for fee revenue don't have to disclose those deals to their miners, allowing them to hide revenue and take larger fees 14:51 < gmaxwell> yup 14:52 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@p5DC46FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:58 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@p5DC46FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:11 -!- spinza [~spin@196.212.164.26] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 15:11 -!- marcoagner [~user@187.113.135.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:32 -!- spinza [~spin@196.212.164.26] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:03 -!- Guest76289 [~smuxi@2600:8805:3a01:ac00:99df:5faf:ca97:163d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:07 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10 -!- str4d [~str4d@host86-137-249-179.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:20 -!- eddiewang [~eddiewang@216.165.220.79] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:21 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:23 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@p5DC46FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:37 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:49 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:57 -!- sausage_factory [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:59 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:15 -!- sausage_factory [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21 -!- eddiewang [~eddiewang@216.165.220.79] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21 -!- eddiewang [~eddiewang@216.165.220.79] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:22 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@p5DC46FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:26 -!- eddiewang [~eddiewang@216.165.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:27 -!- eddiewang [~eddiewang@216.165.220.79] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:33 -!- bxbxb [~bxbxb@216.107.153.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:33 -!- bxbxb [~bxbxb@irc.clone.army] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:33 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 17:38 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwkazsevzkvthuwr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:42 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@c-73-170-224-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: oleganza] 17:46 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:52 -!- MaxSan [~one@194.187.251.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:56 -!- MaxSan [~one@194.187.251.115] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:09 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@c-73-170-224-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:13 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@c-73-170-224-149.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: oleganza] 18:21 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:28 -!- Guest76289 [~smuxi@2600:8805:3a01:ac00:99df:5faf:ca97:163d] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:40 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15 -!- praxeology [~praxeolog@unaffiliated/praxeology] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:22 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:26 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-39.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:28 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:49 -!- cottenio [~cottenio@50-249-9-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49 -!- cottenio_ [~cottenio@50-249-9-157-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:49 -!- cottenio_ is now known as cottenio 19:56 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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