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05:32 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:6072:b7bf:7691:5ed3] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:08 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:6072:b7bf:7691:5ed3] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:17 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:6072:b7bf:7691:5ed3] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:20 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:30 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:30 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:35 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 06:35 -!- musalbas [~musalbas@2001:bc8:30c2:ff00::] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:36 <@andytoshi> maaku: i'm not aware of any publicly verifiable but blinded EC hash function. i've wanted one from time to time but basically the only thing you can publicly verify is addition.. 06:37 -!- mode/#bitcoin-wizards [-o andytoshi] by andytoshi 06:39 < andytoshi> maybe if you have a "times 10^6" generator A and "times 10^12" generator B, you can find a way to take a blinded asset A', replace it by A + A', then do a rangeproof with (A + 10^6A') as your base, which should be possible if A was origanally a commitment to a round number of millions of coins 06:39 < andytoshi> not sure, just spitballing here 06:49 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:52 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:6072:b7bf:7691:5ed3] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:03 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:6072:b7bf:7691:5ed3] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:17 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:17 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:22 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:23 -!- StopAndDecrypt 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but I far prefer units which describe or imply what they are, even metaphorically. I'm going to keep calling it weight. 08:47 < yoleaux> maaku: I'll pass your message to rusty. 08:52 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@d51531e03.static.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:10 -!- musalbas [~musalbas@2001:bc8:30c2:ff00::] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:15 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:17 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:6072:b7bf:7691:5ed3] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:19 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zsdsiuacpisdsfhx] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:27 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:6072:b7bf:7691:5ed3] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:32 -!- satwo [~textual@c-73-61-27-68.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:32 -!- Fugazi [~Fugazi@2.223.51.147] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:47 -!- str4d [~str4d@183.191.6.51.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:56 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:01 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:01 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1080:b0a1:2951:c8ac:7ae2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:05 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1080:b0a1:2951:c8ac:7ae2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:bd83:a196:4b29:2ba6] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:06 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:06 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79.98.72.176] has quit [Changing host] 10:06 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:11 -!- coinsmurf [coinsmurf@96-66-250-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:13 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:bd83:a196:4b29:2ba6] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:17 -!- asdasdsa [5c2b6847@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.43.104.71] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:18 < asdasdsa> Hello 10:18 < asdasdsa> i love my life 10:18 < asdasdsa> i love bitcoins 10:18 < asdasdsa> i love you all 10:18 -!- pickledpigs [a9323e52@gateway/web/freenode/ip.169.50.62.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:19 -!- asdasdsa [5c2b6847@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.43.104.71] has quit [Client Quit] 10:24 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:31 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:35 -!- vicenteH [~user@195.235.96.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:46 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:bd83:a196:4b29:2ba6] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:49 < nsh> andytoshi, can you help me understand how t(X) is an inner product of the two polynomials ? i'd have thought that would have the same rank 1 as the l(X),r(X). the constructed t(X) has a term in X^2 and looks like the algebraic product of l(X) * r(X) 10:50 < nsh> code: t0 = 10:50 < nsh> t1 = ( + )%N 10:50 < nsh> t2 = 10:50 < nsh> -- https://github.com/AdamISZ/bulletproofs-poc/blob/master/rangeproof.py#L89 10:54 < nsh> paper gives as: t(X) = = Sigma_i=0,2 [ t_i X^i ] 10:56 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:bd83:a196:4b29:2ba6] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:08 < nsh> nm, i get it 11:15 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:16 -!- d4de [~d4de@41.35.242.251] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:23 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.74.120] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:28 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.74.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1080:e13e:96d8:afd5:18cf] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:38 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1080:e13e:96d8:afd5:18cf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:71c7:1349:d93b:fddb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:49 -!- harrymm [~harrymm@85.203.47.83] has quit [] 11:50 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:71c7:1349:d93b:fddb] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:50 -!- geezas [uid253218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ijhjckixupzcvwcb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:55 -!- jtimon [~quassel@164.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59 -!- piano7 [~logan@2600:8800:2b01:6500:e0b9:196d:b58f:8a65] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:20 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@c-73-119-55-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:20 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:27 -!- meeh [~mikalv@cm-84.209.131.13.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:30 -!- sammi` [sammi@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-edbcjnzkjxuxwqiq] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:31 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:71c7:1349:d93b:fddb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:32 -!- sammi` [sammi@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-mmsydiscqemtzicz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:43 -!- vicenteH [~user@35.233.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:45 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:71c7:1349:d93b:fddb] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:46 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:00 -!- packetsmurf [coinsmurf@96-66-250-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:02 -!- coinsmurf [coinsmurf@96-66-250-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:04 -!- piano7 [~logan@2600:8800:2b01:6500:e0b9:196d:b58f:8a65] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:08 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jskjygkuvqgyyotr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:12 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:13 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:14 -!- uvarovserge [~uvarovser@177.74.240.4] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:18 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:18 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:71c7:1349:d93b:fddb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:20 -!- d4de [~d4de@197.48.89.28] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:22 -!- piano7 [~logan@2600:8800:2b01:6500:e0b9:196d:b58f:8a65] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:22 -!- d4de [~d4de@197.48.89.28] has quit [Client Quit] 13:23 -!- d4de [~d4de@197.48.89.28] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:29 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:31 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:71c7:1349:d93b:fddb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:39 -!- go1111111 [~go11111@199.231.240.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:49 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:55 -!- go1111111 [~go11111@199.231.240.191] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:57 -!- piano7 [~logan@2600:8800:2b01:6500:e0b9:196d:b58f:8a65] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:01 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:10 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:71c7:1349:d93b:fddb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:14 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:19 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:24 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:71c7:1349:d93b:fddb] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:26 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:33 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:34 -!- str4d [~str4d@183.191.6.51.dyn.plus.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:37 -!- huntingcryptos [~huntingcr@176.81.119.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:38 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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I already know of Maker. 23:35 < sipa> stable coins? 23:36 < piano7> cryptocurrencies that are less prone to volatility 23:39 < sipa> that purely depend on how they're used 23:39 < sipa> value comes from usage, not from the definition of the currency itself 23:40 < piano7> There are ideas of desiging protocols that can approach tagging the value to a determined amount 23:41 < piano7> for example, Maker uses collateral to try to absorb the volatility 23:42 < sipa> that relies on a trusted party 23:42 < piano7> well some do yeah, like tether is a good example of a stable coin that relies on central trusted party 23:43 < sipa> but there is nothing interesting about tether 23:43 < maaku> piano7: what you are looking at is called a synthetic asset. that might get you some google results 23:43 < maaku> it's kinda off-topic here though because there isn't really any interesting crypto or theory that goes into it 23:43 < sipa> it's just a digitized token for which an issuer guarantees an exchange rate with the dollar 23:44 < mryandao> there's freicoin that bakes dumurrage 23:44 < sipa> there is no reason why tether even needs to be a blockchain 23:44 < piano7> I agree about tether 23:44 < mryandao> *demurrage. 23:44 < sipa> piano7: same is true for anything 23:44 < piano7> I'm more interested in research about decentralized stable coins 23:44 < sipa> you can't define value within the system itself 23:44 < sipa> that's just nonsense 23:45 < piano7> look into Maker it's what their whole project is trying to do 23:45 < mryandao> i believe at some point there was some discussion on UTXO expiration/evaporation for bitcoin? 23:45 < maaku> not for everything.. there are synthetic asset constructs which attempt to peg to external values without actually having a single third party guarantee the peg 23:45 < mryandao> so lost coins can be recovered eventually by miners 23:45 < sipa> piano7: looks like total ICO scammyness to me 23:45 < sipa> mryandao: terrible incentives 23:46 < mryandao> sipa: i suppose miners can just refuse to confirm then wait for your UTXO to evaporate 23:46 < mryandao> lol 23:46 < sipa> yup. 23:46 < maaku> they do so by constructs similar to a prediction market -- you buy/sell futures in a market, which informs inflation. only works if you assume most participants are honest and no one tries to corner the market 23:46 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:71c7:1349:d93b:fddb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:47 < maaku> also has the same incentive problems -- if inflation is controlled by what's visible on chain, then block txs to make the market one-sided, resulting in inflation to miners 23:56 -!- satwo [~textual@c-73-61-27-68.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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