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03:16 < fluffypony> .title https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.01210.pdf
03:16 < yoleaux> fluffypony: Sorry, that doesn't appear to be an HTML page.
03:16 < fluffypony> yoleaux: upgrade yourself to read PDFs
03:16 < fluffypony> "On the linkability of Zcash transactions"
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03:22 < AndyS2> I would love to have some software that does that for mixing services. i.e. 1 bitcoin was sent to a mixer, where did it end up? (with likelyhoods if they split it up to different addresses. and looking at later recombination that yield about one bitcoin. and potential recombinations if there is no connection between an output that spends 0.5 and another output that spends 0.5 other than having
03:22 < AndyS2> used the mixer
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03:23 < AndyS2> maybe some parameters like mixer fee and whatnot would be nice. does anybody know what those services cost in the past? 1%? 2%? 10%? (100% if they were evil ;) )
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08:02 < kabaum> Does anyone here know why the sequence of other inputs are zeroed when signing with SIGHASH_NONE or SIGHASH_SINGLE?
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17:13  * nsh reads up on Straus-Shamir and Pippinger exponentiation
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17:18 < sipa> nsh: i can explain - because both are pretty specific instantiations of generic algorithms
17:18 < nsh> oh yay
17:20  * bsm117532 would appreciate refs of nsh's readings...
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17:22 < nsh> https://cr.yp.to/papers/pippenger.pdf | https://sites.google.com/a/crypto.tw/doug/teaching/high-speed-cryptographic-engineering | https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/486e/573e23ad21623d6f4f7ff035b77e1db7b835.pdf
17:22 < sipa> i assume he's talking about the benchmark number apoelstra published for our multi-exponentiation algorithms
17:22 < sipa> or at least, those are the reason for looking into them
17:23 < nsh> aye
17:23 < bsm117532> Gotcha.  I'm very excited about this work, we'll probably hold a journal club about it soon.
17:23 < sipa> give me a couple minutes
17:23 < nsh> oh, that'd be great bsm117532
17:23 < bsm117532> Sadly, I'm no longer in New York so this won't be a BitDevs event.  I'm still getting plugged into the community in Boston.
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17:25 < bsm117532> BTW sipa, I think you guys kind of buried the lede with respect to your focus on range proofs, as there seems to be a whole lot more that can be done with bullet proofs than just range proofs.
17:26 < sipa> bsm117532: i wasn't even aware of the work until a week or two before!
17:26 < bsm117532> Hahaaa the life of a crypto rockstar :-P
17:26 < nsh> also the circuit stuff is mainly unimplemented afaik
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17:27 < sipa> i commented here a bit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7d5zbc/finally_real_privacy_for_bitcoin_transactions/dpvbocv/
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17:40 < nsh> this thread by Hal is good on the practical application of the endomorphism on secp256k1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3238.0
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17:52 < sipa> nsh: that thread inspired me to write libsecp256k1
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17:52 < nsh> oh, neat!
17:52 < sipa> it was initially an experiment to see what speedup secp256k1's endomorphism could achieve
17:53 < nsh> hah :)
17:53 < sipa> it was only later that the endomorohism was made ootional
17:53  * nsh nods
17:53 < bsm117532> sipa: Are there plans afoot to convert the CT in Elements to bulletproofs?  Seems like a hard fork, no?
17:54 < kanzure> you mean the code in secp256k1-zkp?
17:57 < sipa> bsm117532: yes,so?
17:57 < sipa> hf'ing a dev platform isn't very hard
17:57 < bsm117532> Yeah, so are there plans to convert it to bulletproofs?
17:58 < bsm117532> I've long been concerned that our ZKP tech was insufficiently advanced, and things like Zcash would quickly be leapfrogged by faster/better ways to do ZKPs... but anyhoo...
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17:59 < sipa> i expect we will, but there are challenges
17:59 < sipa> as buleltproofs combined with confidential assets isn't clear yet
17:59 < bsm117532> I see
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