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I think it was the dev mailing list but I cant seem to find it 14:06 < JackH> and I think maaku was involved in something about it 14:06 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:08 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:1879:22a4:2620:50dd] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:08 < JackH> and I am not thinking about the language simplicity 14:12 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:15 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c2:fd8e:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:18 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:1879:22a4:2620:50dd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:19 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:1879:22a4:2620:50dd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@199.178.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:29 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:30 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:36 < sipa> JackH: inside P2SH all script opcodes are standard 14:36 < sipa> since years 14:39 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42 < JackH> ah yes that discussion 14:45 -!- null_radix [Elite7851@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-wpfyzcoqbiahufji] has quit [Quit: EliteBNC - http://elitebnc.org (Auto-Removal: idle account/not being used)] 14:49 -!- d4de [~d4de@197.48.93.133] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:49 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@host-im1adb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:52 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:55 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c2:fd8e:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:58 -!- danrobinson [~danrobins@2604:2000:e080:d400:5b5:25bd:9aff:2951] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:59 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:59 -!- ExploitedKernel [~Exploited@CPEf0f2498c9193-CMf0f2498c9190.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:00 -!- hdevalence [~hdevalenc@52.119.117.17] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:00 -!- ExploitedKernel [~Exploited@CPEf0f2498c9193-CMf0f2498c9190.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 15:00 -!- koshii [~mike@c-71-228-54-149.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:02 -!- hdevalence [~hdevalenc@52.119.117.17] has quit [Client Quit] 15:04 < danrobinson> https://blog.chain.com/ivy-for-bitcoin-a-smart-contract-language-that-compiles-to-bitcoin-script-bec06377141a 15:04 -!- rmwb_ [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:1879:22a4:2620:50dd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:04 < danrobinson> Ivy for Bitcoin: a smart contract language that compiles to Bitcoin Script 15:07 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@199.178.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:09 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:11 < contrapumpkin> I can't figure out how to express that sha256 fixed point script I was talking about the other day 15:12 < contrapumpkin> if I write `verify sha256(hash) == hash` that's a type error 15:12 < contrapumpkin> and I can't find any sort of coercion support 15:14 -!- rmwb_ [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:1879:22a4:2620:50dd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@199.178.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:15 < sipa> OP_DUP OP_SHA256 OP_EQUALVERIFY 15:15 < contrapumpkin> oh I know how to do it in script 15:16 < contrapumpkin> was just wondering if I could express it in ivy 15:16 < contrapumpkin> also, ivy gives me nightmare of shitty java dependencies 15:16 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:16 < sipa> oh. 15:16 < contrapumpkin> I think the ivy type system prevents me from comparing a hash to a non-hash 15:16 < contrapumpkin> unless they have some sort of hidden coercion operator 15:21 < danrobinson> contrapumpkin: yeah, good question. Ivy's type system forbids comparison of hashes and non-hashes (or hashes that use different functions) for safety. i hadn't thought of fixed-point scripts as a possible intentional application. i'll add a coercion operator. `bytes(...)`? 15:21 < contrapumpkin> that sounds great, thanks! 15:21 < contrapumpkin> I filed an issue on the topic :) 15:21 < danrobinson> what do you mean about java dependencies? 15:21 < contrapumpkin> but yeah, in general you probably don't want to be comparing hashes to things that aren't hashes 15:21 < contrapumpkin> danrobinson: *shudder* http://ant.apache.org/ivy/ 15:22 < contrapumpkin> xml up the wazoo 15:22 < contrapumpkin> very enterprise 15:22 < danrobinson> ahhhhhhh yeah, we saw that collision but decided it was SO shitty that it wouldn't be likely to cause too much confusion 15:24 < contrapumpkin> yeah, not really confusing 15:24 < contrapumpkin> just nightmare-inducing ;) 15:27 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:34 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:37 -!- jephalien_ [~jephalien@CPE00fc8d947f53-CM00fc8d947f50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01 -!- alferz [~alferz@unaffiliated/alfer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:03 -!- vicenteH [~user@35.233.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:13 -!- alferz [~alferz@unaffiliated/alfer] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:14 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@199.178.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@199.178.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:16 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@host-im1adb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@62.238.104.190] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:19 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:21 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:41 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:43 < danrobinson> contrapumpkin: Should work now on the playground (you'll want to refresh and hit Reset in the upper right corner to load the new example). http://docs.ivy-lang.org/bitcoin/language/ExampleContracts.html#revealfixedpoint 16:43 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:52 -!- danrobinson [~danrobins@2604:2000:e080:d400:5b5:25bd:9aff:2951] has quit [Quit: danrobinson] 16:53 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 16:53 < maaku> wouldn't you need to compare data to a hash just to do the P2PKH script? 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ZZZzzz…] 20:00 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:1879:22a4:2620:50dd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:13 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:17 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:29 -!- danrobinson [~danrobins@2604:2000:e080:d400:5b5:25bd:9aff:2951] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:29 < danrobinson> maaku: are you referring to this Ivy contract: https://docs.ivy-lang.org/bitcoin/language/ExampleContracts.html#lockwithpublickeyhash ? 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