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quit [Quit: laurentmt] 09:49 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:52 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@host-im1adb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:52 < contrapumpkin> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script#Arithmetic lists mod as disabled 09:53 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@host-im1adb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53 < contrapumpkin> I was wondering if it would be possible to create a "time-locked" safe scheme where outputs are only spendable for a few hours every month, for example 09:53 < contrapumpkin> by modding block height 09:53 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@host-im1adb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:53 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@host-im1adb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:53 < contrapumpkin> so it's slightly more intricate than the usual "locked until block X" example 09:54 < contrapumpkin> but it doesn't look like there's an easy way to get the current block height into the script as a value, so maybe this is a non-starter 09:54 -!- abomb [~abomb@65.255.189.192] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:55 < contrapumpkin> and when I say hours/month, I mean their block equivalents, obviously 09:55 -!- Jbones [~josh@c-76-124-117-41.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:04 < sipa> contrapumpkin: a general principle is that once valid, a transaction must remain valid (except through double spending) 10:05 < wumpus> otherwise it's not robust against reorganizations 10:05 < contrapumpkin> oh, fair enough 10:05 < contrapumpkin> so this is fundamentally not going to work 10:05 < contrapumpkin> unless you have an active agent moving the coins once a month 10:06 < sipa> otherwise you complicate mempool management (you'd need to re-evaluate all scripts all the time), fee estimation and wallet behaviour, and break fungibility (some coins i may need to spend wuickly if they directly or indirectly depend on something that's going to expire soon) 10:06 < wumpus> not at the block chain level; you could have signing hardware that refuses to sign except in some time window 10:06 < contrapumpkin> yeah, that all makes sense 10:06 < contrapumpkin> oh well :) thanks 10:06 < sipa> or have an RBF ready with a timelock slightly later 10:14 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:16 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:da3:1aab:a23b:d1f0] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:19 < contrapumpkin> cool, not a big deal 10:21 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:30 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:da3:1aab:a23b:d1f0] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 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