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11:46 < contrapumpkin> what's the most interesting thing anyone has ever thrown into an input script in bitcoin?
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11:56 < arubi> I think mine on testnet is pretty cool 0895e97e9c4ce7ebe04e15e0835bb0788053fbfdbbb2f3f25f81631687d7b857
11:56 < arubi> not interesting as in useful, just some fun with script and sighash :)
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12:57 < contrapumpkin> arubi: thanks :)
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14:58 < el_che007> need help
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18:29 < contrapumpkin> has anyone come up with a protocol to sell a hash preimage if you don't want the preimage to be public, and that doesn't involve ZKCP?
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18:31 < sipa> sure, but it involves a ZKCP :)
18:31 < contrapumpkin> lol
18:31 < sipa> though you could use bulletproofs instead of snarks :)
18:32 < contrapumpkin> how would that work?
18:41 < sipa> use a zkcp, but do s/libsnark/libbulletproof/ ;)
18:42 < sipa> (hypothetically speaking, assuming an API conpatible bulletproof library existed)
18:43 < contrapumpkin> lol
18:43 < contrapumpkin> ok
18:43 < contrapumpkin> I thought bulletproofs were for ranges only
18:43 < contrapumpkin> I need to learn moar
18:44 < sipa> nope, arbitrary circuits
18:44 < sipa> *arithmetic
18:44 < contrapumpkin> fun
18:45 < contrapumpkin> so we can do the same R1CS stuff?
18:46 < sipa> what's that?
18:46 < contrapumpkin> as far as I understand, the "raw" input to libsnark
18:47 < contrapumpkin> I'll read more about bulletproofs :)
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18:47 < sipa> ah
18:48 < sipa> the raw input to a bulletproof is a list of multiplications, and linear constraints between the input/output variables for those multiplications
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18:48 < sipa> i expect it's very similar to libsnark, though i believe snarks can deal with boolean variables more efficiently than with integers
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23:30 < RubenSomsen> andytoshi: I just finished watching Bulletproofs from BPASE '18. Am I understanding correctly that batch validation of bulletproofs brings validation time below that of ECDSA? That is huge.
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23:37 < sipa> RubenSomsen: no, benedikt was wrong about how fast ECDSA was
23:37 < RubenSomsen> ah, dang
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23:37 < sipa> it's around 5-7 times slower to verify a bulletproof than ecdsa (when there are many proofs to verify in parallel)
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23:38 < RubenSomsen> OK, yeah that was my understanding prior to this video. Sad to hear it is not true, thanks for clearing that up, Pieter.
23:38 < sipa> it's still incredibly fast
23:39 < sipa> a few 100 microseconds
23:39 < sipa> much faster than snark verification (for this size of problem; for sufficiently large problems snarks are faster)
23:40 < RubenSomsen> Yeah, that is pretty amazing. Are bulletproofs usable for ZKCP as well?
23:41 < RubenSomsen> I guess ZKCP allows for interaction, so there must be more efficient schemes.
23:41 < sipa> yes, they could be used for ZKCP
23:41 < sipa> any zero-knowledge system
23:43 < RubenSomsen> Right
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