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00:00 < andytoshi> RubenSomsen: i will give a talk about this at a milan bitcoin meetup (i think), and hopefully i'll have better numbers by then
00:01 < andytoshi> in a couple days
00:03 < RubenSomsen> andytoshi: Cool, thanks for the update. Hope the video will be posted online!
00:03 < andytoshi> i'm sure it will be :)
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00:06 < andytoshi> i'll also talk about applications and the general circuit stuff, which i think benedikt didn't go into as much as he could've
00:06 < RubenSomsen> Yeah, I am curious where else it can be used in practice.
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00:08 < andytoshi> it depends a fair bit on the numbers we get for circuit proving/verification
00:08 < andytoshi> which i intend to get in the next day or two
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00:10 < RubenSomsen> I guess that must be slower than CT proofs, since you are not just proving a single range.
00:21 < andytoshi> yea CT proofs are basically the simplest nontrivial circuit
00:22 < andytoshi> plus, because the output wires for every multiplication gate are fixed values (they're all 1) there is an additional optimization that can be done vs a general circuit
00:22 < andytoshi> which is why in the paper, the rangeproof polynomials have degree 1 while the circuit polynomials have degree 3
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06:57 < tromp> hi andytoshi
07:03 < tromp> having some MW discussion in grin/dev that may interest you
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07:34 < andytoshi> oh, sure, i didn't realize i wasn't on
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13:20 < contrapumpkin> "called Mimblewimble [Jed16,Poe]"
13:20 < contrapumpkin> lol
13:20 < contrapumpkin> seems amusing to have harry potter names in citations, but I guess there's not much else to do
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15:39 < Cosmosis> (∩｀-´)⊃━☆ﾟ.*･｡ﾟ
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17:58 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/blockchain-protocol-analysis-security-engineering/2018/schnorr-signatures-for-bitcoin-challenges-opportunities/
17:59 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/blockchain-protocol-analysis-security-engineering/2018/bulletproofs/
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18:08 < contrapumpkin> <3
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21:22 < RubenSomsen> sipa: how do key tree signatures compares to threshold signatures? is one objectively better, or are there use cases for both (assuming pure multisig with no further scripting)?
21:30 < sipa> RubenSomsen: key treed are accountable
21:30 < sipa> *trees
21:30 < sipa> (the signers can see which subset signed)
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21:32 < RubenSomsen> Ah yeah, good point. Are there performance differences? I remember you pointed out that at some tresholds calculating the tree can take a long time.
21:39 < sipa> a threshold signature just looks like a single signature on chain
21:39 < sipa> so obviouslyz yes
21:42 < aj> is there a good reference for how threshold signatures via schnorr might work?
21:43 < RubenSomsen> Yes of course on-chain it is more efficient, I meant at contract creation time. Like if you do 500-1000 multisig, calculating an entire merkle tree will take a long time.
21:44 < RubenSomsen> I guess it is similar?
21:44 < RubenSomsen> Hopefully I am wording my question clearly enough
21:50 < RubenSomsen> I guess it is not really a practical concern if it happens off-chain
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