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02:09 < maaku> if someone can think of a way to implement popcount in script (should be doable in elements with disabled opcodes re-enabled, not sure about bitcoin script), it could be used to implement a hamming weight hashcash puzzle
02:09 < maaku> which would provide a bounty of sorts for whether sha256 is indistinguishable from a random oracle
02:09 < maaku> e.g. check that no more than 32 bits of a 256 bit hash are set
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05:39 < waxwing> re: Ligero, that paper references this earlier paper from Crypto2009 by Jens Groth, which is the one that gives O(sqrt(N)) commitments: http://www0.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/J.Groth/MatrixZK.pdf
05:39 < waxwing> and slides here: https://www.iacr.org/conferences/crypto2009/slides/p192-MatrixZK.pdf
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05:40 < waxwing> iirc the bootle 16 thing (and then BP) go from that to the log(N) scaling; it seems to introduce a lot of the ideas/notation involved.
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06:05 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2018-02-02-andrew-poelstra-bulletproofs/
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06:30 < waxwing> kanzure, thanks! s/Giacamo/Giacomo/ oh and slogo = slogan at the end. (didn't read every word but great job)
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06:33 < andytoshi> waxwing: FYI you can update the transcripts yourself by submitting a PR through https://github.com/kanzure/diyhpluswiki
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06:33 < andytoshi> (i think that's the correct way to do this now. diyhpl.us used to have a git bridge you could use over cgi but i think that's dead)
06:33 < kanzure> it works but it's for registered users only because perl is terrible or something
06:35 < nsh> LEAVE PERL ALONE!!11111....
06:36 < waxwing> i have done, for 15 years :)
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06:44 < waxwing> andytoshi, thanks for tip. btw this paper from 09 is really helpful, e.g. in appendix A it's showing exactly how proof of knowledge of vectors work.
06:46 < andytoshi> oh nice. i'll check it out. (and i should check out ligero, benedikt wanted us to do a performance comparison in our paper but we didn't have time)
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09:40 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/blockchain-protocol-analysis-security-engineering/2018/proofs-of-space/
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19:41 < kanzure> .tw https://twitter.com/benediktbuenz/status/961468224230473728
19:41 < yoleaux> New version of the Bulletproofs paper is online: https://crypto.stanford.edu/bulletproofs/ . Greatly expanded the evaluation section. BPs are now implemented in libsecp256k1. Amazing work by Andrew Poelstra and @pwuille . Batch verifying 16 aggregate range proofs=16 ECDSA signatures (It's fast) (@benediktbuenz)
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