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04:32 < stevenroose> Two questions about Bulletproofs: (1) Are they unconditionally sound like the prior CTs? (2) Is there still a way to recover part of the commitment size for memos?
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04:33 < nsh> it's compression so there's no chance for unconditional soundness. there's a design choice between perfect blinding and perfect hiding.
04:33 < nsh> and there's no means to recover a message from the proof due to the compression
04:34 < nsh> unless you introduce more entropy i suppose but that would defeat the point of efficient aggregation
04:35 < nsh> the soundness is computational and based on the one-more discrete logarithm problem's assumed difficulty
04:37 < nsh> discussed here: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8dr4fw/benedikt_b%C3%BCnz_bulletproofs/dxqd7fh/
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04:51 < waxwing> nsh, you said 'blinding' when you meant 'binding', i do that all the time too, it's really irritating that near-identical words have such conflicting meanings :)
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04:53 < nsh> sorry, my bad!
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04:53 < nsh> good catch :)
04:54 < nsh> it's that hiding is used for the effect of a kind of blinding and that's a wee bit confusing, but mainly it's because i'm unrigorous and silly :)
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04:56 < waxwing> yeah in that specific context, you unfortunately end up saying the opposite of what you mean from 1 extra l
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05:17 < andytoshi> stevenroose: nobody has every deployed unconditionally sound rangeproofs AFAIK. bulletproofs are not unconditionally sound
05:18 < andytoshi> and yes, you can recover the blinding factor and value without much trouble at all, i've implemented this
05:18 < andytoshi> you can recover another 64 bytes for memos if you go through a lot of trouble
05:18 < andytoshi> and when you aggregate proofs the memo size doesn't increase so it's of limited value..
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