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00:30 < waxwing> aj, ah thanks, some kind of mental block there, i was reading P - sG2 and forgetting that P included sG2 so it cancels.
00:30 < waxwing> so you did mean " a signature *on* the key..."
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08:57 < ruby32> Hi all, looking at the Trezor code on github, I'm confused why the secp256k1 curve constants are written in base30 instead of using the "usual" base32 values?
08:57 < ruby32> https://github.com/trezor/trezor-crypto/blob/master/secp256k1.c#L26
08:57 < ruby32> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Secp256k1
08:58 < ruby32> I found a comment here explaining something about base30, but it doesn't make sense why they'd do this, considering bignum256 can already store up to 288 bits
08:58 < ruby32> https://github.com/trezor/trezor-crypto/blob/c61ab76ad7c6730e5d4ecc962069b6c7400f6e95/bignum.c#L35
09:00 < ruby32> My best guess is that by using base30, for 270 bit ints, they'd be better off operating on 9 base30 ints than on "8 and change" base32 ints, ostensibly to reduce errors. However, it doesn't seem like that makes much sense
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09:28 < roconnor> ruby32: they do it so that line 408 doesn't overflow: https://github.com/trezor/trezor-crypto/blob/c61ab76ad7c6730e5d4ecc962069b6c7400f6e95/bignum.c#L407-L408
09:29 < roconnor> libsecp256k1 does similar excepts works in base 2^26 instead of base 2^30.
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09:46 < waxwing> alex bosworth mentioned this on twitter, looks interesting: https://github.com/privacypass/challenge-bypass-extension/blob/master/PROTOCOL.md
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11:44 < roasbeef> waxwing: check out the full paper: https://petsymposium.org/2018/files/papers/issue3/popets-2018-0026.pdf  was at PoPETs this year
11:52 < gmaxwell> waxwing: I saw a different writeup on that previously (perhaps the one roasbeef linked) but I couldn't understand what it was attempting to provide over a blind signature.
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11:56 < waxwing> right, that's my current Q about it, what's the compare-and-contrast vs a blind schnorr sig
11:56 < waxwing> i mean it does use a schnorr sig kinda, because you have to provide a dleq proof. not sure if that matters, though.
11:57 < gmaxwell> it just seemed a lot more complex,
12:03 < waxwing> roasbeef, thx
12:04 < waxwing> gmaxwell, i don't know, seems like one round of interaction to sign and one to redeem. but i don't know the blind schnorr sig well enough (nor these chaumian token type schemes generally) to really have any sense of it.
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13:51 < nickler> waxwing: it looks like you can't prove to a third party that you have a token because they'd need to evaluate `F_x(y)` which only server can
13:51 < nickler> also, it doesn't support attributes which vanilla blind schnorr sigs don't do either
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13:59 < waxwing> re: not provable to 3rd party, yeah, just a usage token for a service at the server. so yeah not like a signature. i don't know about attributes in this context. i should probably look at your slides again.
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14:16 < nickler> attributes would be something like amount or asset type in the ecash context and you'd want to be able to prove these attributes to a third party. This is f.e. possible with Brands credentials http://www.credentica.com/overview.pdf
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