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04:07 < ZmnSCPxj> .tell ruby32 good morning, I believe you could try looking at sidechain commitment ideas like drivechains or my own proof-of-mainstake, and simply remove the peg, but to my thinking, it requires some data to be published on Bitcoin chain
04:07 < yoleaux> ZmnSCPxj: I'll pass your message to ruby32.
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04:09 < ZmnSCPxj_> .tell ruby32 the publication of data could be hidden in a pay-to-contract construction where you commit your altcoin tx to a Bitcoin P2WPKH pay-to-contract with the altcoin tx as contract, but in the end you pay fees to the Bitcoin layer.
04:09 < yoleaux> ZmnSCPxj_: I'll pass your message to ruby32.
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04:12 < ZmnSCPxj_> .tell nsh good morning nsh, is not Neutrino another example of such?
04:12 < yoleaux> ZmnSCPxj_: I'll pass your message to nsh.
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04:14 < nsh> quite possibly. unsure of the technicals, looks proprietary
04:14 < nsh> oh no, that's a name collision (https://www.neutrino.nu/) against https://bravenewcoin.com/assets/Whitepapers/neutrino-whitepaper.pdf
04:14 < nsh> which i assume you mean?
04:15 < nsh> latter is just torifying nodes afaict
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04:51 < waxwing> nsh, neutrino as in BIP157/158 most likely
04:51 < nsh> ah yes, thank you both
04:51 < waxwing> although i guess 'client side filtering' is what we should be using, and neutrino is an implementation. actually i'm not 100% clear on that.
04:59 < nsh> oh i get it, the hash distributes uniformly and taking the difference between sorted entries makes that uniform distribution geometric and golomb-rice optimally compresses a geometric distribution
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05:00 < nsh> (achieving better compression at a cost to query/update)
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05:09  * nsh abstractly wonders if this would enable backchannels through p2p filter messages that might be [mildly] abused
05:11 < nsh> (for the usual nefarious e.g. botnet c2 recovery purposes, etc.)
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13:54 < rusty> BlueMatt: hmm, botbot.me is shutting down.  Any chance we can get lightning-dev and c-lighting logged on bitcoin.ninja?
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