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joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:17 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:38ac:a4ba:cad1:3968] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:21 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:22 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:38ac:a4ba:cad1:3968] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:32 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:38ac:a4ba:cad1:3968] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:43 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:38ac:a4ba:cad1:3968] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:49 -!- Murch [~murch@50-200-105-218-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:53 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:55 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:57 < jnewbery> How realistic would it be to do threshold ECDSA on current hardware wallets? 10:57 < gmaxwell> not at all. 10:58 < gmaxwell> well, hold that, I haven't seen the above paper, but all the prior ones were not at all. They needed an order of magnitude more memory than the devices have. 10:59 -!- aburan [uid272149@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdlgfnxeczqbyzvd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:02 -!- thrmo [~thrmo@gateway/tor-sasl/thrmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:07 -!- thrmo [~thrmo@gateway/tor-sasl/thrmo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:10 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:38ac:a4ba:cad1:3968] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:12 < andytoshi> connor's presentation at scaling bitcoin had him spending over a second of computation time on his laptop at one point 11:14 < sipa> but is that using goldfeder's new construction? 11:14 < andytoshi> pretty sure not 11:14 < sipa> signing time in connor's stuff was 30-40 ms to sign agaik 11:15 < andytoshi> right, iirc i'm thinking of key setup (which was like a minute wasn't it?) 11:15 < andytoshi> i wonder if you'd have to redo the key setup if you were doing p2c or public bip32 derivation 11:21 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@136.243.139.96] has quit 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#bitcoin-wizards 15:08 < kanzure> get out 15:17 < fkinglag> I'm genuinely curious, don't bite my head off, kanzure. I'm just disillusioned with how a budget proposal with users behind multisig wallet is happening in another cryptocurrency community I'm in. 15:18 < fkinglag> not like you have to offer up an opinion, I don't need an answer 15:21 < sipa> fkinglag: this channel is for discussion of theoretical ideas around cryptocurrencies, not political drama 15:21 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:22 < fkinglag> ok, didn't know it was completely unrelated, sorry 15:49 -!- jimmysong [~jimmysong@72-48-253-51.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:53 -!- clarkmoody [~clarkmood@47-218-248-206.bcstcmta04.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:12 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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