--- Log opened Wed Oct 24 00:00:46 2018 00:03 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:06 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has quit [Client Quit] 00:07 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:09 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:13 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:38 -!- enemabandit [~enemaband@185.227.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38 -!- enemabandit [~enemaband@185.227.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:39 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:40 -!- enemabandit [~enemaband@185.227.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 00:40 -!- enemabandit [~enemaband@185.227.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:49 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:10 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:14 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:00 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:04 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:16 < kanzure> https://ostif.org/the-ostif-and-quarkslab-audit-of-monero-bulletproofs-is-complete-critical-bug-patched/ 02:20 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:24 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:46 < jcorgan> nice work. it goes to show that cryptographic expertise does not always coincide with software engineering expertise. 02:50 < jcorgan> ...and a bit humbling to realize that i could have neither invented the original algorithm nor discovered the flaws in their implementation. 03:02 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 03:12 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:16 -!- OzPac [~OzPac@cpc110789-lewi20-2-0-cust636.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:23 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-183-225.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:24 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:26 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-183-225.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:39 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:39 -!- thrmo [~thrmo@gateway/tor-sasl/thrmo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:50 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51 < waxwing> as i'm reading it i can feel their pain :) "Having an academic paper at the basis of an implementation adds a layer of difficulty ..." "The notations are swapped in the code ..."" 03:52 < waxwing> still, i'm sure they're doing fine 03:52 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:00 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:03 -!- floam412 [~floam412@unaffiliated/floam412] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:06 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:07 < waxwing> the H = hash(G) * G thing is a bit of a lol ... but it's just some test code i guess 04:09 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:14 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:14 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:17 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-183-225.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:20 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:25 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:30 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@185.242.6.5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:39 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-183-225.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 04:41 < musalbas> oh please. 04:41 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-219-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-183-225.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:43 < musalbas> anyway, paper aside, the idea of using vector commitments to commit to state is interesting 04:45 < musalbas> nsh, if trusted setup could indeed be avoided, it would be even better than using rsa accumulators to commit to state, which is the new hot thing lately. 04:45 < musalbas> (i mean not that rsa accumulators are new; just that they're back in fashion apparently) 04:45 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:46 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@080-250-076-051-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:47 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-183-225.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 04:50 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@185.242.6.5] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 04:50 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:53 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-183-225.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:24 -!- IGHOR [~quassel@93.178.216.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:30 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:34 -!- koshii [~mike@c-68-58-151-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:37 -!- nuncanada [~dude@187.65.68.135] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:39 < sarang> I wrote that prototyping code. The generator construction was never the one used in production anyway 05:41 < sarang> We never went back and updated it to what was actually used; we should have made that more clear 05:46 -!- _Sam-- [greybits@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/sam--/x-37783179] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:47 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-170-183-225.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 05:56 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:57 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:57 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:02 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:03 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:07 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:16 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2600:1700:be50:323f:55b0:5cb9:8203:6ae5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:17 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2600:1700:be50:323f:55b0:5cb9:8203:6ae5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:20 -!- IGHOR [~quassel@93.178.216.72] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:21 -!- koshii [~mike@c-68-58-151-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:30 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:34 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:35 -!- douglas_ [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:36 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has quit [Quit: o/] 06:42 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:46 < nsh> musalbas, whether it can be done bulletproofs-style depends on the algebraic properties required 07:10 -!- douglas_ [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:14 -!- douglas_ [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:15 -!- dgenr8 [~dgenr8@unaffiliated/dgenr8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:18 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23 -!- dgenr8 [~dgenr8@unaffiliated/dgenr8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:31 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:35 -!- douglas_ [~douglas@c-24-34-137-83.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:36 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:37 -!- michaelsdunn1 [~michaelsd@unaffiliated/michaelsdunn1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:41 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:41 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:44 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:45 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:55 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:01 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:02 -!- esotericnonsense [~esotericn@unaffiliated/esotericnonsense] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04 -!- esotericnonsense [~esotericn@unaffiliated/esotericnonsense] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:06 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:12 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:14 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 08:14 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:17 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:19 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:19 -!- nuncanada [~dude@187.65.68.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:19 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:21 -!- douglas_ [douglas@nat/redhat/x-kamsbimplgximjhn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:25 -!- p0nziph0ne [p0nziph0ne@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/p0nziph0ne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:26 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2600:1700:be50:323f:55b0:5cb9:8203:6ae5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2600:1700:be50:323f:55b0:5cb9:8203:6ae5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:28 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:36 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:44 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:49 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:56 < jcorgan> weren't RSA accumulators used in the original zerocoin? memory is fuzzy 09:00 < nsh> anyway, there are still dubious assumptions in that separation proof 09:00 < nsh> regarding classical computation 09:00 < nsh> which will not be meaningfully examined until people start to appreciate multivalued logics 09:01 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:01 < nsh> (not fuzzy logic, actually equivalence of NchoosefromM logical valences not interpreted in terms of binary truth/falsity) 09:03 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:03 < nsh> the other unquestioned assumption is that 'steps' of computation is a well-founded concept even in classical computing 09:03 < nsh> (spoiler: it's not) 09:04 < nsh> (and you can actually prove separation results in classical computation by kinda....smushing together intermediate computational states for a very restricted class of problems [as yet]) 09:04 < nsh> .wik holographic algorithms 09:04 < yoleaux> "In computer science, a holographic algorithm is an algorithm that uses a holographic reduction. A holographic reduction is a constant-time reduction that maps solution fragments many-to-many such that the sum of the solution fragments remains unchanged." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_algorithms 09:09 -!- bitconner [~conner@c-73-170-56-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:09 -!- Murch [~murch@50-200-105-218-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:14 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:15 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:20 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:28 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@82-132-224-236.dab.02.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:39 -!- enemabandit [~enemaband@185.227.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42 -!- enemabandit [~enemaband@185.227.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46 -!- stoner19 [stoner19@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/stoner19] has quit [Quit: Keep on keepin' on...] 09:49 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:51 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:55 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:55 -!- enemaban1it [~enemaband@16.77.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:56 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:58 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:00 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:14 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@82-132-224-236.dab.02.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 10:16 < sarang> jcorgan: I seem to remember Zerocoin did originally use an RSA accumulator 10:17 < sipa> i believe so too 10:18 < sarang> Ah yes, it did... I remember because PIVX chose RSA-2048 as the modulus 10:19 < sarang> and so avoid doing another trusted setup process 10:22 -!- wfbarksdale [~wfbarksda@136.25.187.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:23 < nsh> (meant to say above schpiel in ##crypto. sorry i'm not doing well with typing in the right channel lately) 10:37 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:38 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2600:1700:be50:323f:55b0:5cb9:8203:6ae5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2600:1700:be50:323f:55b0:5cb9:8203:6ae5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:53 -!- douglas__ [douglas@nat/redhat/x-zfvllysyswveutjz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:55 -!- douglas_ [douglas@nat/redhat/x-kamsbimplgximjhn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@82-132-224-236.dab.02.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:09 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@198.52.38.59] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 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