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20:55 < gmaxwell> Here is a potentially interesting idea for node anti-surveillance:  Middle mode connections:  Connect out to two nodes, and pass traffic between them. Do not originate any of your own messages into the links, passively observe tx/blocks/headers that cross the link, so you're not purely wasting bandwidth.  Similarly could be done where you proxy through and middle mode some inbound conections.
20:56 < gmaxwell> any effort to try to learn things about the network graph assuming all connections with a give IP are to the same host, would be broken by this sort of behavior.
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20:57 < gmaxwell> I suppose you could also go slightly active, and splice new blocks you've accepted into links too... since they're not terribly useful for profiling.
20:58 < gleb> Are you talking about surveillance from ISP/government or at p2p layer where an attacker just runs nodes?
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20:59 < gmaxwell> ISP monitoring obviously needs encryption as even the most minimal step. I'm mostly talking about the known half dozen or so commercial services that are actively attacking the network now...
21:02 < Dizzle> So, when the unwanted observer connects to node A, they effectively don't know about its effective connection to node B if A isn't peered to B?
21:04 < gmaxwell> They wouldn't even know it was a connection to B necessarily even if they were paird to B...
21:04 < gmaxwell> and if they detected that they might just assume that B was just a different network address for A.
21:05 < gmaxwell> Some people have previously suggested having multiple mempools e.g. for different peers,  MITMing connections is a resource cheap way to do that. Your 'other mempool' is just someone elses node.
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21:10 < sipa> gmaxwell: it may interact with p2p logic that distinguishes between outging and incoming connections
21:10 < sipa> as they both think it's an incoming connection
21:13 < sipa> though i guess you could pair up an incoming connection with an  outgoing one
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21:23 < mappum_> gmaxwell: "known half dozen or so commercial services that are actively attacking the network now" - these aren't known to me, can you elaborate?
21:24 < mappum_> i've always assumed it was too hard to figure out where txs originate even with a lot of peering
21:38 < gleb> gmaxwell: Do you think this approach won't change the reasoning about connecting to different net groups and related vulnerability mitigations?
21:43 < gleb> There is a non-zero probability of connecting to 8 proxies, and now you have to trust them that if they notice you being eclipsed they drop that connection (perhaps this kind of trust is acceptable because it's almost the same to what we already have).
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