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adiabat> (a way to make derivable R points which was still secure would be very useful but doesn't seem possible) 10:27 -!- jaromil [~jaromil@devuan/developer/jaromil] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:30 -!- jaromil [~jaromil@vm8.ganeti.dyne.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:30 -!- jaromil [~jaromil@vm8.ganeti.dyne.org] has quit [Changing host] 10:30 -!- jaromil [~jaromil@devuan/developer/jaromil] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:39 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:52 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:15 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:24 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [] 11:24 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:25 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:25 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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< adiabat> adam3us: agreed; some way to give a "seed" or "generator" which would allow people to compute R points that were not linearly related 13:04 < adiabat> but that the person providing the "seed" would still know the k values... would be cool! But doesn't seem there's any way to do so. 13:05 < adiabat> in the regular discrete log curves; with pairing curves seems possible (mentioned by andytoshi above) 13:07 < adiabat> so in practice you just say "here's a whole bunch of R's that I know all the k's for", which is OK for smallish numbers of R's. 13:13 -!- qianbi is now known as jkjk 13:14 -!- jkjk is now known as zj 13:14 -!- zj is now known as create_seed 13:15 -!- enemabandit [~enemaband@16.77.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:16 -!- pinheadmz [~matthewzi@104-56-112-203.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:18 -!- create_seed is now known as jasonzhouu 13:24 < gmaxwell> adiabat: if by "okay" you mean "in practice results in dangerously fragile systems", yes. :) 13:24 < gmaxwell> having to manage the state so that you don't reuse isn't easy. E.g. what happens if you get a power cut instantly after signing.. you need to not reuse the nonce. 13:25 < gmaxwell> it probably possible to build real systems that are safe that do that... but there is a lot that can go wrong. 13:26 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:40 < mappum_> gmaxwell: that's ok because it's already a constraint for this flavor of proof-of-stake, e.g. 2 different signatures for the same blockheight are considered proof of punishable fraud 13:50 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:04 < gmaxwell> Must be nice to live in a world without need for backups or power outages, where all software is bug free, and where randomly losing funds is okay. :) 14:05 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 14:11 -!- fabianfabian [~fabianfab@D9656CCE.cm-27.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 14:18 -!- son0p [~ff@181.136.99.9] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:19 < mappum_> those things always pose a risk, but it seems negligible with a combination of write-ahead-logs before signing, and checking the state of the network (e.g. if my machine went down right after signing at height H, then came back up and saw signatures from the other signatories at H+n, I have no need to sign at H again) 14:39 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:40 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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