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truth now. 06:41 -!- elichai2 [uid212594@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlicumpzjqdljdas] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:53 < Jmabsd> http://muratbuffalo.blogspot.com/2018/06/snowflake-to-avalanche-novel-metastable.html 06:53 < sarang> Non-secured HTTP link? 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(www.adiirc.com)] 13:57 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:00 -!- zalun1 [~zalun@178.162.204.238] has quit [] 14:04 -!- nirik-fre [~nirik-fre@141.98.101.133] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:19 < digi_james> sipa: Hello. I have a question on Taproot PubKeys. I fail to understand why highest two True bits on the 33B PubKey block prevent ambiguity in reading the output script pattern. P2WPKH/P2WSH have different (second) witness element sizes(20/32). You mention it simplifies analysis "without knowledge of the UTXO being spent", what is meant by that? Thank you. 14:21 < sipa> digi_james: every valid P2WPKH/P2WSH witness has as last stack element a byte that is 02/03 (for p2wpkh) or a non-invalid opcode (for p2wsh) 14:21 < sipa> the range 0xc0-0xff falls outside both classes 14:29 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:35 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:57 < sipa> so if taproot with this rule is on the network, you can distinguish taproot witnesses (and their annexes) from p2wpkh/p2wsh spends by looking at the first byte of the last witness stack element 15:02 < digi_james> sipa: Ah, I see, this is to distinguish to spends of different output types without knowing the utxo? So if a transaction is verified during mempool acceptance, we have to consider the utxo anyhow, so where is this optimisation helpful? 15:03 < sipa> digi_james: everywhere that's not in validation :) 15:03 < sipa> e.g. computing the weight of a transaction 15:03 < sipa> before it's broadcast 15:03 < sipa> (this is taking into account that an annex may be present that modifies the weight of a tx due to the presence of expensive opcodes) 15:09 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@dsl-208-102-222-13.fuse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@dsl-208-102-222-13.fuse.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:16 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:17 < digi_james> sipa: Has the weight computation changed from segwit v0 to taproot spends? 15:19 < sipa> digi_james: no 15:19 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@dsl-208-102-222-13.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:19 < sipa> digi_james: but later extensions could (that's part of the rationale for the annex) 15:25 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:32 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:41 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@dsl-208-102-222-13.fuse.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:42 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43 -!- michaelsdunn1 [~michaelsd@unaffiliated/michaelsdunn1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@dsl-208-102-222-13.fuse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:54 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:01 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 16:06 -!- DeanWeen 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